Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I don't have a problem showing proof of vax if we could settle on some reasonable logistics of what that looks like. I haven't followed the new NYC indoor requirements but bars around here want to see the actual card.
I made the mistake once of getting my passport photo while on my way out for the night, thinking both its on my way and I look presentable. I of course lost it at some point in the night, went back to Walgreens the next morning and to the surprise of no one they couldn't find the photo record to reprint it (btw we're tasking these same people with deploying the most life saving vaccine of our generation), so I retake the photo since I'm there which looks like a Randy Travis mugshot that I live with until my next renewal.
So that's the main reason I'm hesitant on the proof of vax thing. I know Walgreens says I can reprint it but I've been down this path before. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Honest question: Do you feel the same way about HepB, DTap, IPV, MMR, chicken pox, and Tdap vaccines being required for school kids?
Those are all FDA approved correct and not considered "experimental? But yes I am OK with that because if not, I can choose another school for my kids. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Go to almost any hospital in the country that has an ICU unit.
Maybe you would like to cringe for the people who are currently in the process of dying from a disease and their death, in at least 95+% of cases, was completely preventable.
Misinformation has lead to immense suffering and death in this country.
I am a 30 year career firefighter paramedic and know the drill. My next door neighbor is an ER doc at the local Kaiser. I am not saying covid is a hoax..,,,.I am cringing at "Mando vax" and stand by that. I truly understand why so many patients don't want to go to a hospital and still don't trust a brand new vaccine... lol.......I have stories. Medicine is a "practice"....... [Reply]
Originally Posted by jdubya:
Those are all FDA approved correct and not considered "experimental? But yes I am OK with that because if not, I can choose another school for my kids.
Do you realize how many other things that the FDA has approved that are much worse? Do you realize how the oversight of the FDA works? Or should I say never happens until it is too late? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
I don't have a problem showing proof of vax if we could settle on some reasonable logistics of what that looks like. I haven't followed the new NYC indoor requirements but bars around here want to see the actual card.
I made the mistake once of getting my passport photo while on my way out for the night, thinking both its on my way and I look presentable. I of course lost it at some point in the night, went back to Walgreens the next morning and to the surprise of no one they couldn't find the photo record to reprint it (btw we're tasking these same people with deploying the most life saving vaccine of our generation), so I retake the photo since I'm there which looks like a Randy Travis mugshot that I live with until my next renewal.
So that's the main reason I'm hesitant on the proof of vax thing. I know Walgreens says I can reprint it but I've been down this path before.
I thought the card thing was dumb the second I saw it... it's fucking huge and would totally wear and tear, plus easy to fake. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
I thought the card thing was dumb the second I saw it... it's fucking huge and would totally wear and tear, plus easy to fake.
I'm treating the card like its an autographed Mahomes rookie not like some temp drivers license.
Maybe that's the most logical motivator we've overthought, spruce up the card. Make it customizable like an avatar or something. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jdubya:
Those are all FDA approved correct and not considered "experimental? But yes I am OK with that because if not, I can choose another school for my kids.
So once it’s approved, you’ll feel entirely different? And did you choose another school for your kids as was your readily available choice?
And if some establishments have a vaccine mandate, is there a reason why there won’t be alternatives for you to choose from? Presumably private sector economics will be there to meet your need.
It's probably a pretty common bias (anchoring, maybe) to say "I've seen some shit" and apply that to the entire field even if it really doesn't have anything to do with one specific item.
Just the two exercises.... determining what's wrong with someone versus how to fix it are two completely different things and can't really be compared at all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Go to almost any hospital in the country that has an ICU unit.
Maybe you would like to cringe for the people who are currently in the process of dying from a disease and their death, in at least 95+% of cases, was completely preventable.
Misinformation has lead to immense suffering and death in this country.
Speaking of misinformation, one thing that you never hear discussed anymore is the success rate of HCQ and zinc. There was an abundance of anecdotal evidence last year that it was a wildly successful treatment. And recently a study emerged which showed that it was greatly effective even in severely ill patients, dramatically improving chances of survival. There were docs in FL last year who reported a near 100% success rate when treating patients before it was severe. Elderly and obese people were getting up and walking out of the hospital in short order.
But, of course, the “experts,” including Fauci and the FDA strongly advised against its use, saying that the data showed an obvious lack of efficacy. They even tried to argue that it was dangerous. A common drug that’s been FDA approved and safely used for 65 years. Based solely upon a study which was later exposed as completely fraudulent. Nevertheless, they caused it to be banned in many states.
Obviously, it had nothing to do with the fact that a full course of HCQ and zinc costs a few bucks while the vaccines have minted 9 new billionaires. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Speaking of misinformation, one thing that you never hear discussed anymore is the success rate of HCQ and zinc. There was an abundance of anecdotal evidence last year that it was a wildly successful treatment. And recently a study emerged which showed that it was greatly effective even in severely ill patients, dramatically improving chances of survival. There were docs in FL last year who reported a near 100% success rate when treating patients before it was severe. Elderly and obese people were getting up and walking out of the hospital in short order.
But, of course, the “experts,” including Fauci and the FDA strongly advised against its use, saying that the data showed an obvious lack of efficacy. They even tried to argue that it was dangerous. A common drug that’s been FDA approved and safely used for 65 years. Based solely upon a study which was later exposed as completely fraudulent. Nevertheless, they caused it to be banned in many states.
Obviously, it had nothing to do with the fact that a full course of HCQ and zinc costs a few bucks while the vaccines have minted 9 new billionaires.
That's not true though. Here's the most recent meta-studies regarding HCQ. These are peer-reviewed meta-studies that examines all available peer-reviewed studies related to HCQ. All posted this year. Take a look.
This collaborative meta-analysis of 28 published or unpublished RCTs, including 10,319 patients, shows that treatment with HCQ was associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there was no benefit from treatment with CQ. No differences were seen across subgroup analyses on patient setting, diagnosis confirmation, control type, publication status, or dose and the between-study heterogeneity was low. For CQ, the number of studies was too small to draw clear conclusions.
This meta-analysis offers useful insights for a challenging health situation. Hundreds of thousands of patients have received HCQ and CQ outside of clinical trials without evidence of their beneficial effects. Public interest is unprecedented, with weak early evidence supporting HCQ’s merits being widely discussed in some media and social networks—despite the unfavorable results by a very large RCT.
Although pharmacologic prophylaxis is an attractive preventive strategy against COVID-19, the current body of evidence failed to show clinical benefit for prophylactic hydroxychloroquine and showed a higher risk of adverse events when compared to placebo or no prophylaxis.
By hook or by crook, the covid pandemic is not permanent. That’s one reason why I wouldn’t support government mandated vaccines, assuming that’s the discussion. Don’t care much about businesses doing it though, because they can as far as I can tell and also again them actually keeping the policy and enforcing it long term is not something that will last. So people who don’t want the vaccine can either go elsewhere, get a fake card, or just sit at home and wait it out. [Reply]