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seamonster 12:19 PM 09-03-2021
Ivermectin Has Been Studied to Death and Works



































Studies Prophylaxis Early treatment Late treatment PatientsAuthors
All studies 63 86% [75‑92%] 72% [55‑82%] 40% [24‑52%] 26,422 613
Peer-reviewedPeer-reviewed 44 86% [73‑92%] 75% [61‑84%] 43% [21‑59%] 17,082 479
Randomized Controlled TrialsRCTs 31 84% [25‑96%] 61% [46‑71%] 30% [2‑50%] 6,561 359
Percentage improvement with ivermectin treatment

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Eleazar 07:44 AM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Are any CP'ers taking Ivermectin? If so, what have you experienced? What forms do you take and how often?
We don’t have a lot of people with intestinal worms in this part of the world.
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BleedingRed 07:49 AM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
We don’t have a lot of people with intestinal worms in this part of the world.
AHhahha Look at this retard
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SFfan79 09:56 AM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
I thought people from San Francisco were supposed to be happy little progressives?
I'm not from SF, but am a Giants and 49ers fan. I would probably be arrested if I lived in SF for not following their liberal agenda. Liberals are America's #1 enemy, as seen by some of the insanely stupid posters on this site.
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DementedLogic 10:29 AM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Are any CP'ers taking Ivermectin? If so, what have you experienced? What forms do you take and how often?
My grandmother (81 years old with COPD and Asthma) got Covid and spent 5 days on a ventilator. She survived Covid, but for 6 months she has been dealing with very bad long-term effects. One of the side effects she was dealing with was that she could not stand for very long without getting dizzy, which has resulted in numerous falls (pre-covid she was very active). She took ivermectin and that has helped her dizzy spells, and she is able to walk without her walker now. Unfortunately, she is dealing with headaches now that she did not have before she took Ivermectin. I don't know how much she was taking or what forms. Minus the headaches, she is very happy with the results.
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Ninerfan11 10:42 AM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by Stro39:
I don't know Slavitt but if he shared it would be with reason.
Your deference to this guy is wild. I'm sure he's a good guy, but I would be skeptical of all political figures right now.
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Ninerfan11 10:44 AM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by SFfan79:
I'm not from SF, but am a Giants and 49ers fan. I would probably be arrested if I lived in SF for not following their liberal agenda. Liberals are America's #1 enemy, as seen by some of the insanely stupid posters on this site.
I think SF is cool if you're in your early 20s and don't mind the crime/trash/feces/needles/expenses or you're a homosexual.
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MahomesMagic 01:03 PM 09-08-2021
Moral Majority Media Strikes Again
When Rachel Maddow, Rolling Stone, and others jumped on a dubious report of ivermectin overdoses, it was just the latest in a string of moral mania mishaps
Matt Taibbi

Citing a report of Oklahoma emergency rooms so overwhelmed by ivermectin overdoses that gunshot victims were going untreated, MSNBC anchor Joy Ann Reid Sunday proposed sticking the swallowers of “horse paste” at the back of the line in order to prioritize the more deserving, “rather than allowing the ivermectin people” — she spoke the words as if holding a vile wriggling thing with tweezers — to “take up all the beds”:

This was a network anchor despising a group of people so much that she itched to deny them medical care, not only despite having never met them, but despite the fact that they may not even exist. The “overwhelmed Oklahoma E.R.” tale later seemed to go sideways, the latest in a line of crackups by media lost in the throes of a moral panic.

The tale of mobbed E.R.s originated with a September 1 print story in the Tulsa World, followed by a piece by Oklahoma City-based NBC affiliate KFOR. Both interviewed a Dr. Jason McElyea, who spoke in the KFOR piece of “gunshot victims having hard times getting to facilities.” Separately he spoke about both the overcrowding problem and of seeing ivermectin overdose cases, but we don’t actually hear him making the connection that it’s the “ivermectin people” causing the bed shortage. That was done by KFOR, whose chyron and tweet identically read, PATIENTS OVERDOSING ON IVERMECTIN BACKING UP HOSPITALS, AMBULANCES.

The line spread the next day with a retweet by Rachel Maddow — the real patient zero of this mess — followed by tweet-pushes by MSNBC executive producer Lauren Peikoff, the Guardian, the Business Insider, the Daily Mail, Newsweek, the New York Daily News, Daily Kos, Occupy Democrats, Reid, moral mania all-star Kurt Eichenwald, the humorously dependable wrongness-barnacle Eoin Higgins, and of course my former employers at Rolling Stone. My old mag got most of the catcalls on social media, after adding a full written story that widened the scope beyond Oklahoma to note in a tsk-tsking tone that “even podcaster and anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Joe Rogan bragged” of taking ivermectin.

The original report would have been sensational enough, if true. McElyea told stories of backed-up ambulances, patients “in worse conditions than if they’d caught COVID,” and “scariest” of all, “people coming in with vision loss.” Nonetheless, in the game of Twitter telephone that led from KFOR to the Stone, details were magically added. Reid somehow knew the hated overdosers not only swallowed “horse paste” but had done so “instead of taking the vaccine.” Occupy Democrats knew for whom the horse-pasters voted, noting that “so many Trumpers are overdosing” that emergency rooms are full. MSNBC contributor Dr. Jason Johnson even speculated Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe was somehow profiteering from the misery:

Wonder if Inhofe (R-OK) has any financial ties to ivermectin. Wouldn’t be the first time he appeared to have profited off #Covid-19…

Things appeared to go south when the Stone put out an “update” with a statement from Oklahoma’s Northeastern Hospital System Sequoyah, which said Dr. McElyea “has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months,” and, worse, that “NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin,” which “includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.” Of course that was only one hospital system, and it wasn’t clear if it was relevant to McElyea’s story. However, Rolling Stone then put out a second update noting that, “Rolling Stone has been unable to independently verify any such cases,” adding:

The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations.

Mistakes happen and Rolling Stone at least did the right thing and owned up to an issue, while Maddow as of this writing still has her tweet up, as do others on the list, who clearly don’t care. The story in a vacuum appears to be a garden variety series of misunderstandings, in which perhaps-real tales of ivermectin overdoses got conflated somehow with an also-real overcrowding story. But as Rolling Stone pointed out, a brief glance at statistics should have given reason to be skeptical of tales of gunshot victims turned away by tidal waves of Trump-loving consumers of veterinary medicine, especially given that such patients everywhere are competing with an exponentially larger actual flood of Covid-19 patients.

The problem lay in the reason the error spread, which happens to be the same reason underlying innumerable other media shipwrecks in the last five years. These include everything from wrong reports of Russians hacking a Vermont energy grid, to tales of Michael Cohen in Prague, to the pee tape, to Julie Swetnick’s rape accusation, to the Covington high school fiasco, to Russian oligarchs co-signing a Deutsche Bank loan application for Donald Trump, to Bountygate, to the “mass hysterectomies” story, and dozens beyond: the media business has become a machine for generating error-ridden moral panics.

News has become a corporatized version of the “Two Minutes Hate,” in which the goal of every broadcast is an anxiety-ridden audience provoked to the point of fury by the un-policed infamy of whatever wreckers are said to be threatening civilization this week: the unvaccinated, insurrectionists, Assadists, Greens, Bernie Bros, Jill Stein, Russians, the promoters of “white supremacy culture,” etc. Mistakes are inevitable because this brand of media business isn’t about accuracy, but rallying audiences to addictive disgust. As a result, most press people now shrug off the odd error or six — look at Maddow leaving her tweet up — so long as they feel stories are directionally right, i.e. aimed at deserving targets.

I never thought this could happen, but people like Maddow, Reid, and the editors of the New York Times opinion page have taken over the role once occupied by Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority. As a kid I tilted blue in my politics in significant part because I couldn’t stand (or understand) crusading moralists like Falwell, whose entire raison d'ętre was driving millions of followers to hate and fear people they not only seemed to know nothing about, but claimed they hoped never to meet: gays and lesbians, punk and rock musicians, rappers, comics who used naughty words, fantasy gamers, and scariest of all, goth teens who drew pentagrams on their Trapper-Keepers.

Falwell and his imitators mixed a conspicuously un-Christian unforgiving attitude with undisguised glee at the suffering of anyone they understood to have brought divine retribution upon themselves. Sound familiar? Remember the fundamentalist opinion on AIDS patients, that “if the homosexual community would stop doing what they are doing, they would stop getting what they are getting”? Then there was Falwell’s take on New York after 9/11, that “when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad,” and “the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians [and] the ACLU… I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”

That brand of pious sadism is now baseline norm in the wing of the media business where I once worked. Today’s press constantly makes religious icons out of tendentious bureaucrats like Bob Mueller and “Saint” Anthony Fauci, strives all the time to turn changeable news narratives into inflexible Holy Writ, and delights even more than Falwell in its own version of divine retribution stories.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/moral-...-strikes-again
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Ninerfan11 01:06 PM 09-08-2021
haha, Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid..

fine people.
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HonestChieffan 07:45 PM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by DementedLogic:
My grandmother (81 years old with COPD and Asthma) got Covid and spent 5 days on a ventilator. She survived Covid, but for 6 months she has been dealing with very bad long-term effects. One of the side effects she was dealing with was that she could not stand for very long without getting dizzy, which has resulted in numerous falls (pre-covid she was very active). She took ivermectin and that has helped her dizzy spells, and she is able to walk without her walker now. Unfortunately, she is dealing with headaches now that she did not have before she took Ivermectin. I don't know how much she was taking or what forms. Minus the headaches, she is very happy with the results.
whatever makes her better is good. Hope she continues to improve.
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Stro39 11:52 PM 09-08-2021
Originally Posted by Ninerfan11:
Your deference to this guy is wild. I'm sure he's a good guy, but I would be skeptical of all political figures right now.
So I checked this Andy Slavitt guy and he's someone hooked up with the Biden administration so it would make sense for Republican supporters to be wary of Griffin if he linked to a Slavitt podcast.

I'm assuming Griffin appeared on this podcast, but here's the thing: Griffin is trying to get across a public health message. Its a message that has to go to both Republicans and Democrats, so obviously he's going to try to message basically both sides.

This doesn't make Griffin political, he's a great doctor doing his best for whoever he treats, regardless of their political affiliation.

Having said all that, the Republicans aren't engaging with current science and are more concerned with conspiracy theories and anti-science right now. Its hard for someone like a Griffin whose outlook is to help people to see so many people just willfully ignore mainstream medical advice.

Historically Doctors are conservative politically as a group, I think quite a number have switched sides in recent years because of the contradiction between their vocation and the leanings of the Republican party.
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Bump 12:04 AM 09-09-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Moral Majority Media Strikes Again
When Rachel Maddow, Rolling Stone, and others jumped on a dubious report of ivermectin overdoses, it was just the latest in a string of moral mania mishaps
Matt Taibbi

Citing a report of Oklahoma emergency rooms so overwhelmed by ivermectin overdoses that gunshot victims were going untreated, MSNBC anchor Joy Ann Reid Sunday proposed sticking the swallowers of “horse paste” at the back of the line in order to prioritize the more deserving, “rather than allowing the ivermectin people” — she spoke the words as if holding a vile wriggling thing with tweezers — to “take up all the beds”:

This was a network anchor despising a group of people so much that she itched to deny them medical care, not only despite having never met them, but despite the fact that they may not even exist. The “overwhelmed Oklahoma E.R.” tale later seemed to go sideways, the latest in a line of crackups by media lost in the throes of a moral panic.

The tale of mobbed E.R.s originated with a September 1 print story in the Tulsa World, followed by a piece by Oklahoma City-based NBC affiliate KFOR. Both interviewed a Dr. Jason McElyea, who spoke in the KFOR piece of “gunshot victims having hard times getting to facilities.” Separately he spoke about both the overcrowding problem and of seeing ivermectin overdose cases, but we don’t actually hear him making the connection that it’s the “ivermectin people” causing the bed shortage. That was done by KFOR, whose chyron and tweet identically read, PATIENTS OVERDOSING ON IVERMECTIN BACKING UP HOSPITALS, AMBULANCES.

The line spread the next day with a retweet by Rachel Maddow — the real patient zero of this mess — followed by tweet-pushes by MSNBC executive producer Lauren Peikoff, the Guardian, the Business Insider, the Daily Mail, Newsweek, the New York Daily News, Daily Kos, Occupy Democrats, Reid, moral mania all-star Kurt Eichenwald, the humorously dependable wrongness-barnacle Eoin Higgins, and of course my former employers at Rolling Stone. My old mag got most of the catcalls on social media, after adding a full written story that widened the scope beyond Oklahoma to note in a tsk-tsking tone that “even podcaster and anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Joe Rogan bragged” of taking ivermectin.

The original report would have been sensational enough, if true. McElyea told stories of backed-up ambulances, patients “in worse conditions than if they’d caught COVID,” and “scariest” of all, “people coming in with vision loss.” Nonetheless, in the game of Twitter telephone that led from KFOR to the Stone, details were magically added. Reid somehow knew the hated overdosers not only swallowed “horse paste” but had done so “instead of taking the vaccine.” Occupy Democrats knew for whom the horse-pasters voted, noting that “so many Trumpers are overdosing” that emergency rooms are full. MSNBC contributor Dr. Jason Johnson even speculated Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe was somehow profiteering from the misery:

Wonder if Inhofe (R-OK) has any financial ties to ivermectin. Wouldn’t be the first time he appeared to have profited off #Covid-19…

Things appeared to go south when the Stone put out an “update” with a statement from Oklahoma’s Northeastern Hospital System Sequoyah, which said Dr. McElyea “has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months,” and, worse, that “NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin,” which “includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.” Of course that was only one hospital system, and it wasn’t clear if it was relevant to McElyea’s story. However, Rolling Stone then put out a second update noting that, “Rolling Stone has been unable to independently verify any such cases,” adding:

The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations.

Mistakes happen and Rolling Stone at least did the right thing and owned up to an issue, while Maddow as of this writing still has her tweet up, as do others on the list, who clearly don’t care. The story in a vacuum appears to be a garden variety series of misunderstandings, in which perhaps-real tales of ivermectin overdoses got conflated somehow with an also-real overcrowding story. But as Rolling Stone pointed out, a brief glance at statistics should have given reason to be skeptical of tales of gunshot victims turned away by tidal waves of Trump-loving consumers of veterinary medicine, especially given that such patients everywhere are competing with an exponentially larger actual flood of Covid-19 patients.

The problem lay in the reason the error spread, which happens to be the same reason underlying innumerable other media shipwrecks in the last five years. These include everything from wrong reports of Russians hacking a Vermont energy grid, to tales of Michael Cohen in Prague, to the pee tape, to Julie Swetnick’s rape accusation, to the Covington high school fiasco, to Russian oligarchs co-signing a Deutsche Bank loan application for Donald Trump, to Bountygate, to the “mass hysterectomies” story, and dozens beyond: the media business has become a machine for generating error-ridden moral panics.

News has become a corporatized version of the “Two Minutes Hate,” in which the goal of every broadcast is an anxiety-ridden audience provoked to the point of fury by the un-policed infamy of whatever wreckers are said to be threatening civilization this week: the unvaccinated, insurrectionists, Assadists, Greens, Bernie Bros, Jill Stein, Russians, the promoters of “white supremacy culture,” etc. Mistakes are inevitable because this brand of media business isn’t about accuracy, but rallying audiences to addictive disgust. As a result, most press people now shrug off the odd error or six — look at Maddow leaving her tweet up — so long as they feel stories are directionally right, i.e. aimed at deserving targets.

I never thought this could happen, but people like Maddow, Reid, and the editors of the New York Times opinion page have taken over the role once occupied by Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority. As a kid I tilted blue in my politics in significant part because I couldn’t stand (or understand) crusading moralists like Falwell, whose entire raison d'ętre was driving millions of followers to hate and fear people they not only seemed to know nothing about, but claimed they hoped never to meet: gays and lesbians, punk and rock musicians, rappers, comics who used naughty words, fantasy gamers, and scariest of all, goth teens who drew pentagrams on their Trapper-Keepers.

Falwell and his imitators mixed a conspicuously un-Christian unforgiving attitude with undisguised glee at the suffering of anyone they understood to have brought divine retribution upon themselves. Sound familiar? Remember the fundamentalist opinion on AIDS patients, that “if the homosexual community would stop doing what they are doing, they would stop getting what they are getting”? Then there was Falwell’s take on New York after 9/11, that “when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad,” and “the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians [and] the ACLU… I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”

That brand of pious sadism is now baseline norm in the wing of the media business where I once worked. Today’s press constantly makes religious icons out of tendentious bureaucrats like Bob Mueller and “Saint” Anthony Fauci, strives all the time to turn changeable news narratives into inflexible Holy Writ, and delights even more than Falwell in its own version of divine retribution stories.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/moral-...-strikes-again

this media is guilty of trying to prevent people from having an effective treatment. Crime against humanity.

Instead of saying "hey, if some people are having success and countries like India, maybe we should look into it and maybe do some ****ing science on it?"

They say "oh my God! no! You can't possibly think there could ever be an effective treatment that's cheap for anything! How dare anyone want that! You get the damn vaccine and that's that. Even speaking of treatments or cures for anything needs to be punishable by law! Tell me how cheap treatments help the bottom lines of these already billionaires because that's all that matters"
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Ninerfan11 02:12 AM 09-09-2021
Originally Posted by Stro39:
So I checked this Andy Slavitt guy and he's someone hooked up with the Biden administration so it would make sense for Republican supporters to be wary of Griffin if he linked to a Slavitt podcast.

I'm assuming Griffin appeared on this podcast, but here's the thing: Griffin is trying to get across a public health message. Its a message that has to go to both Republicans and Democrats, so obviously he's going to try to message basically both sides.

This doesn't make Griffin political, he's a great doctor doing his best for whoever he treats, regardless of their political affiliation.

Having said all that, the Republicans aren't engaging with current science and are more concerned with conspiracy theories and anti-science right now. Its hard for someone like a Griffin whose outlook is to help people to see so many people just willfully ignore mainstream medical advice.

Historically Doctors are conservative politically as a group, I think quite a number have switched sides in recent years because of the contradiction between their vocation and the leanings of the Republican party.
Most Republicans are pro vax. It's the alt left and alt right who are vax skeptics (and blacks).
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Ninerfan11 02:14 AM 09-09-2021
Originally Posted by DementedLogic:
My grandmother (81 years old with COPD and Asthma) got Covid and spent 5 days on a ventilator. She survived Covid, but for 6 months she has been dealing with very bad long-term effects. One of the side effects she was dealing with was that she could not stand for very long without getting dizzy, which has resulted in numerous falls (pre-covid she was very active). She took ivermectin and that has helped her dizzy spells, and she is able to walk without her walker now. Unfortunately, she is dealing with headaches now that she did not have before she took Ivermectin. I don't know how much she was taking or what forms. Minus the headaches, she is very happy with the results.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine with long Covid. The Ivermectin helped her finally kick it. She had symptoms for 4-5 months, no energy..finally her doc prescribed it in a hail mary attempt. She normalized within a couple weeks. Congrats to your grandmother. It's a shame everyone has become so closeminded.
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Stro39 03:16 AM 09-09-2021
Originally Posted by Ninerfan11:
Most Republicans are pro vax. It's the alt left and alt right who are vax skeptics (and blacks).
A lot of old people will be pro-vax due to their early-life experience with polio etc I would imagine. Some will fall through the cracks however.

The alt-left/right thing is interesting because I would merge them together. For example that Jamiroquai guy on January 6 was Republican alt right but if you told me he was a Dem nutter I would believe it.

Numbers say though that most sceptics are currently Republican, it could be down to a current Dem President given the messaging is coming from his government, but mostly I think its down to the previous administration who were shit in terms of messaging. End of the day the government has to have an outlook for their own people, either side, govern for all. Even if it loses you power next election.
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0372 06:58 AM 09-09-2021
Hard to imagine why Big Pharma would be so intense in its opposition to Ivermectin.


https://www.ncbi.:-).nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7505114/

“Ivermectin has powerful antitumor effects, including the inhibition of proliferation, metastasis, and angiogenic activity, in a variety of cancer cells. This may be related to the regulation of multiple signaling pathways by ivermectin through PAK1 kinase.

On the other hand, ivermectin promotes programmed cancer cell death, including apoptosis, autophagy and pyroptosis. Ivermectin induces apoptosis and autophagy is mutually regulated.

Interestingly, ivermectin can also inhibit tumor stem cells and reverse multidrug resistance and exerts the optimal effect when used in combination with other chemotherapy drugs.”

A cure for cancer and Covid would cost Big Pharma hundreds of billions.

Trust the science.
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