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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>2024 WR Class
Couch-Potato 08:45 PM 10-10-2023
Some interesting WRs in the upcoming class, who do you like?

1st - 2nd RD WR Targets:

Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.45
Emeka Egbuka, OH ST, 6-1, 205, 4.3
Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5
Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.35
Xavier Legette, SC, 6-4, 225, 4.29
Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.47
Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.29
Ja'Lynn Polk, WAS, 6-2, 205, 4.48
Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42
Branden Rice, USC, 6-3, 210, 4.38
Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46
Jermain Burton, BAMA, 6-0, 195, 4.31

*This entire class is tall WTF?
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staylor26 07:52 PM 11-08-2023
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
https://x.com/JoeMacheca/status/1706...914816962?s=20

22.3 mph at 63 227 lbs
I'll take 2!
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Palangi 08:20 PM 11-08-2023
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
I really like Legette. Would love to have a DK Metcalf type in KC. kelce, Legette, Rice is a pretty tough trio to defend over the middle.
He is too much of a long strider. Not twitchy in his route running. I wouldn’t hate the pick but he wouldn’t be my first pick for where we pick. I like Worthy and Franklin better
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Stryker 09:43 PM 11-08-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Those twitchy fellas, most of the time, end up injury-riddled in the NFL. I try not to get too caught up with it.

I never seem to learn my lesson with linear speed though, for whatever reason.

Acceleration, enough agility to create crisp route breaks, and hands... that seems to always be a winning combination. I'll be damned if I don't lose sight of it constantly though. Precisely the reason I think Emeka Egbuka is going to be an absolute stud but can he get within our range to move up...
I have to agree after seeing this...


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Couch-Potato 01:18 PM 11-09-2023
Feels like it might be the following guys within range our our 1st - 2nd picks:

Egbuka
Koleman
Worthy
Legette
Mitchell
Franklin
J. Wilson
Polk
Corley
R. Wilson

Who are these guys pro-comparisons?
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Abba-Dabba 01:42 PM 11-09-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Those twitchy fellas, most of the time, end up injury-riddled in the NFL. I try not to get too caught up with it.

I never seem to learn my lesson with linear speed though, for whatever reason.

Acceleration, enough agility to create crisp route breaks, and hands... that seems to always be a winning combination. I'll be damned if I don't lose sight of it constantly though. Precisely the reason I think Emeka Egbuka is going to be an absolute stud but can he get within our range to move up...
It's football. Any one can be oft-injured. I certainly wouldn't let that hesitate me evaluating what we see in videos or let myself come to some medical nexus without a proper medical exam. We can only watch videos which don't allow us to come to that type of nexus on his health. That would be silly to even try to make that assumption. His skillset is unique enough to warrant an evaluation from us here at CP without making an assumption of a medical nexus.

I like Egbuka, maybe not as much as you. We probably won't have a chance for him though. Never know he may test poorly and drop to the lower 1st. I'm not sure we have the draft capital to move up.
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Couch-Potato 05:46 PM 11-09-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Those twitchy fellas, most of the time, end up injury-riddled in the NFL. I try not to get too caught up with it.

I never seem to learn my lesson with linear speed though, for whatever reason.

Acceleration, enough agility to create crisp route breaks, and hands... that seems to always be a winning combination. I'll be damned if I don't lose sight of it constantly though. Precisely the reason I think Emeka Egbuka is going to be an absolute stud but can he get within our range to move up...
Tank looking pretty solid this year, glad for him.
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kccrow 06:46 PM 11-09-2023
Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba:
It's football. Any one can be oft-injured. I certainly wouldn't let that hesitate me evaluating what we see in videos or let myself come to some medical nexus without a proper medical exam. We can only watch videos which don't allow us to come to that type of nexus on his health. That would be silly to even try to make that assumption. His skillset is unique enough to warrant an evaluation from us here at CP without making an assumption of a medical nexus.

I like Egbuka, maybe not as much as you. We probably won't have a chance for him though. Never know he may test poorly and drop to the lower 1st. I'm not sure we have the draft capital to move up.
Using a word like nexus, you should understand then that type II muscle fibers are more prone to fatigue than type I. The twitchier athletes tend to have a higher concentration of type II fibers. Muscle fatigue makes an athlete more susceptible to injuries because those fibers cannot reach the same level of stretch/elasticity that they had when not fatigued. So yes, there is an absolute "medical nexus."

That said, I'm not saying you dismiss a player because of it. I am saying you shouldn't put a premium on an overly twitchy player. It does make for fun highlight videos though.
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Couch-Potato 06:56 PM 11-09-2023
Our "twitchy" guy Toney is always hurt.
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T-post Tom 09:34 PM 11-09-2023
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Feels like it might be the following guys within range our our 1st - 2nd picks:

Egbuka
Koleman
Worthy
Legette
Mitchell
Franklin
J. Wilson
Polk
Corley
R. Wilson

Who are these guys pro-comparisons?
Chiefs will draft Troy Franklin in the first round. Even if they have to move up a few spots. Pro comparison: Calvin Ridley.
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Abba-Dabba 05:50 AM 11-10-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Using a word like nexus, you should understand then that type II muscle fibers are more prone to fatigue than type I. The twitchier athletes tend to have a higher concentration of type II fibers. Muscle fatigue makes an athlete more susceptible to injuries because those fibers cannot reach the same level of stretch/elasticity that they had when not fatigued. So yes, there is an absolute "medical nexus."

That said, I'm not saying you dismiss a player because of it. I am saying you shouldn't put a premium on an overly twitchy player. It does make for fun highlight videos though.
Then you should know that type 2 muscle fibers are predominantly in the arms and chest, and type 1 muscle fibers are predominantly in the legs, spine and neck. Unless you are suggesting he will be running on his hands I'm still not sure how you have come to a medical opinion that he will be an injury problem. It's not like he doesn't have all his knee ligaments or anything.

Who is putting on a premium? Last I looked the guy is a day 3, round 5-7 guy. You talk about a top 15-20 guy we more than likely won't have a chance in hell of getting as some sort of barometer. I am just trying to put a guy out there that we might actually have a chance to draft. We have only what, 8 picks this year? Unless someone is traded and some draft capital is gained, I wouldn't expect any trading up imo.
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Abba-Dabba 05:57 AM 11-10-2023
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Our "twitchy" guy Toney is always hurt.
So you're saying there is a need then?
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kccrow 06:32 AM 11-10-2023
Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba:
Then you should know that type 2 muscle fibers are predominantly in the arms and chest, and type 1 muscle fibers are predominantly in the legs, spine and neck. Unless you are suggesting he will be running on his hands I'm still not sure how you have come to a medical opinion that he will be an injury problem. It's not like he doesn't have all his knee ligaments or anything.

Who is putting on a premium? Last I looked the guy is a day 3, round 5-7 guy. You talk about a top 15-20 guy we more than likely won't have a chance in hell of getting as some sort of barometer. I am just trying to put a guy out there that we might actually have a chance to draft. We have only what, 8 picks this year? Unless someone is traded and some draft capital is gained, I wouldn't expect any trading up imo.
Not especially true, and especially in the context of training. It has been shown that specific athletic training changes muscle fiber structure and the amount of fibers depending on the type. Slow resistance training will increase IIa fibers, fast resistance will increase IIx, sprinting will increase IIx, and endurance will increase I, etc.
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Abba-Dabba 08:32 AM 11-10-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Not especially true, and especially in the context of training. It has been shown that specific athletic training changes muscle fiber structure and the amount of fibers depending on the type. Slow resistance training will increase IIa fibers, fast resistance will increase IIx, sprinting will increase IIx, and endurance will increase I, etc.
Thank you for your medical opinion. You're assumption is that players with a skillset that makes sharp cuts and change of direction is more prone to injury. Of course that a generalization, rather than based on any individual player. At least it didn't stop you last year from liking Tyjae Spears who has that same ability, with a missing knee ligament no less.

I'm however going to refrain on making those type of conclusions on players I can't ever be privy to a medical exam on.
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O.city 08:36 AM 11-10-2023
I'm over the "twitchy" or this or that.

They need a big time outside WR. Be that whoever it is.
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DJ's left nut 11:29 AM 11-10-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'm over the "twitchy" or this or that.

They need a big time outside WR. Be that whoever it is.
Michael Thomas coming out of Ohio State was the first time I recall seeing a guy in the draft I just thought was 'smooth' and couldn't figure out why so many people were sleeping on him.

He just didn't lose anything in and out of his cuts. Had good size (not huge, not small) and just did things gracefully. THAT'S what I want this year. Well that or just hot, nasty, badass speed.

But yeah, at this point 'fast in a phonebooth' is a bonus more than something I'm looking at first.
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