The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.
1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.
2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.
3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.
4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.
5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.
6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.
6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.
7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.
Original post: You can ignore this now.
Spoiler!
Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.
The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.
Here's how the game will work.
Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)
Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.
Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".
Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.
Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.
Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs
If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.
There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.
I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.
So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.
Teams As Of Post #113:
Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)
Added Rules and Reminders:
1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.
2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.
3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.
For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.
For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.
You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.) [Reply]
QB Patrick Mahomes II D1-10/17 (KC)
QB Blaine Gabbert KC FA/23
RB Aaron Jones D5-180/17 (GB)
RB Tyler Allgeier D4-135/22 (ATL)
RB Eric Gray D5-166/23 (NYG)
RB Jerick McKinnon KC FA/23
TE Travis Kelce
TE Cade Otton D3-103/22 (TB)
TE Noah Gray D5-162/21 (KC)
WR Donovan Peoples-Jones D5-177/20 (CLE)
WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling KC FA/22
WR Tyler Boyd D2-37/16 (CIN)
WR Gabriel Davis D4-125/20 (BUF)
WR Justyn Ross D7-251/22 (KC)
WR Richie James KC FA/23
WR A.T. Perry D5-169/23 (NO)
LT Bernhard Raimann D2-62/22 (IND)
LG Joe Thuney KC FA/21
OC Erik McCoy D2-48/19 (NO)
RG Trey Smith D6-221/21 (KC)
RT Jawaan Taylor KC FA/23
OT Carter Warren D3-100/23 (NYJ)
OT Donovan Smith KC FA/23
OT Rasheed Walker D7-233/22 (GB)
OG Teven Jenkins D1-31/21 (CHI)
OC Bradley Bozeman D6-198/18 (CAR)
ER Matt Judon D4-129/16 (NE)
ER George Karlaftis D1-30/22 (KC)
ER K.J. Henry D4-134/23 (WAS)
ER Ogbonnia Okoronkwo D5-159/18 (CLE)
ER Charles Omenihu KC FA/23
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I'm strongly advocating for another rule change for 2024.
The penalty for a post-draft trade down is changed at least to 25% instead of 35%.
I understand that we should be penalized because we get the benefit of hindsight, but right now we lose the value of a very high 3rd round pick trading down out of the bottom of the 1st (approximately pick #72). That means a trade down from 31 puts us at pick #48. A change to 25% would instead put us at a loss in value of a lower 3rd-round pick (approximately pick #87) and would mean a trade down from 31 puts us at pick #42.
This would at least allow us to trade down to the middle of round 2 (say pick 48) and pick up a 4th with it. This is far more reasonable than the current situation where we'd have to drop from R1 to the bottom of 2 in order to pick up any other pick as compensation for the trade-out.
I'd be more in favor of 20% but that might be pushing my luck.
Under the current format, a trade-down is so out of the realm of reality that it makes it moot.
I can see lowering it to 25 percent. It's hard to make trade downs, and I think in part that's because we no longer have high picks in each round :-) [Reply]
Rain Man 09-01-2023, 12:57 AM
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Reason: Le Dupe.
QB
Russell Wilson (Broncos)
Blaine Gabbert
Aidan O'Connell (Raiders)
Cuts: Sam Ehlinger (Colts) and Carson Strong
We'll see if Russell bounces back. Behind him we've got a wily veteran and our latest rookie project. We'll write off a couple of mid/late picks on Ehlinger and Strong. This area is a concern.
Pacheco has taken the starting job. Kamara is suspended for a few games, and Penny is good but always hurt. We're cutting Jones and Burton just because we need the roster space at other positions. I think we should be good here.
Cuts: James Washington (Steelers), Juju Smith-Schuster
We suddenly have a lot of depth here. Toney and MVS will start, and we have a ton of depth. Marshall has been a bit of a disappointment. James Washington has been a huge disappointment as a former 2nd round pick, and we're cutting bait on him. Juju is leaving in free agency. We're actually looking pretty decent here with three starters and good depth.
TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Grant Calcaterra
Zach Kuntz (Jets)
Cuts: Blake Bell
I hate to cut Bell, but he's dropped to third on the depth chart. So I'll keep two young guys behind Travis Kelce. We're great at this position, obviously, and bringing up new talent.
OT
Orlando Brown, Jr.
Jawaan Taylor
Morgan Moses (Redskins)
Donovan Smith
Cuts: Lucas Niang, G/T and Geron Christian
We're in great shape here with two sets of solid starting tackes. Niang and Christian couldn't hang on the roster, so they're gone.
G
Joe Thuney
Wyatt Teller (Browns)
Trey Smith
This is the strongest unit on the team. We're very strong here.
C
Cody Whitehair (Bears )
Very solid here.
K/P/ST
K - Harrison Butker
P - Tommy Townsend
LS - James Winchester
Best dang unit in the league.
S
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Andre Cisco (Jaguars)
Justin Reid
Coby Bryant (Seahawks)
Cuts: Mike Edwards and Deon Bush
Poyer is my silverback on the team. I've got a nice mix of veterans and young guys. I hated cutting Edwards and Bush, but it was a numbers game. I think we're strong and deep here.
CB
Marcus Peters (Raiders)
Joey Porter, Jr.
Desmond King (Steelers)
Amik Robertson (Raiders)
Shaun Wade (Patriots)
Cuts: Darius Rush
This is an area of concern. Peters had his worst year and was also coming off an ACL injury. Porter is a rookie. King and Robertson are small nickel/dime corners. And Wade keeps bouncing around at the bottom of depth charts. They have potential, but I need to see it in action.
OLB
Leo Chenal
Zach Baun, LB (Saints)
Ivan Pace (Vikings)
Drue Tranquill
Yetur Gross-Matos, DE (Panthers)
Anthony Nelson
Cuts: Cam Jones and Elijah Lee
We're not an established group here, but we have the potential to be strong. Chenal is a starter and Baun finally won a starting job. Pace is pushing for time, and Tranquill is very good. Gross-Matos is more of a DE than an OLB, and Nelson is similarly a situational pass rush guy. I hated cutting Cam Jones, but had no choice. Lee is pretty much out of the league now. This group is going to be watched closely.
ILB
Nakobe Dean
Henry To'oTo'o (Texans)
Cuts: Olakunle Fatukasi and Cameron McGrone (Colts)
We'll see how this group does as well. Dean grabbed a starting job after being on the bench last season, and To'oTo'o is a rookie. We're unproven.
DE
George Karlaftis
Dorance Armstrong
Charles Omenihu
Cuts: Ifeadi Odenigbo (Jets) and Carlos Dunlap
We have two legitimate starters and not much else. Omenihu is suspended, and won't be back for six weeks. Ifeadi is on IR and Dunlap's career is winding down, so they didn't make the team.
DT
Andrew Billings (Bears)
Tershawn Wharton
Zacch Pickens (Bears)
Adetomiwa Adebawore (Colts)
Moro Ojomo (Eagles)
Kalia Davis
Cuts: Neil Farrell (we declined the trade) and Marvin Wilson (Browns)
We gave this position of a full injection of youth by adding three rookies in the draft. None of them has seized a starting job yet, but maybe in the future. Davis is another young guy, but is barely making the team due to some good depth.
Here's hoping that someone steps up. Otherwise we're young but mediocre. I need to see progress here. [Reply]
QB Patrick Mahomes II D1-10/17 (KC)
QB Blaine Gabbert KC FA/23
RB Aaron Jones D5-180/17 (GB)
RB Tyler Allgeier D4-135/22 (ATL)
RB Eric Gray D5-166/23 (NYG)
RB Jerick McKinnon KC FA/23
TE Travis Kelce
TE Cade Otton D3-103/22 (TB)
TE Noah Gray D5-162/21 (KC)
WR Donovan Peoples-Jones D5-177/20 (CLE)
WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling KC FA/22
WR Tyler Boyd D2-37/16 (CIN)
WR Gabriel Davis D4-125/20 (BUF)
WR Justyn Ross D7-251/22 (KC)
WR Richie James KC FA/23
WR A.T. Perry D5-169/23 (NO)
LT Bernhard Raimann D2-62/22 (IND)
LG Joe Thuney KC FA/21
OC Erik McCoy D2-48/19 (NO)
RG Trey Smith D6-221/21 (KC)
RT Jawaan Taylor KC FA/23
OT Carter Warren D3-100/23 (NYJ)
OT Donovan Smith KC FA/23
OT Rasheed Walker D7-233/22 (GB)
OG Teven Jenkins D1-31/21 (CHI)
OC Bradley Bozeman D6-198/18 (CAR)
ER Matt Judon D4-129/16 (NE)
ER George Karlaftis D1-30/22 (KC)
ER K.J. Henry D4-134/23 (WAS)
ER Ogbonnia Okoronkwo D5-159/18 (CLE)
ER Charles Omenihu KC FA/23
