Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by RunKC:
It has been tested through phase 2 and 3 for awhile but not nearly long enough. Call me old fashioned but I’d really like to have at least 5 years of data before taking it. I know that’s not realistic, but maybe even a couple years.
RNA tech has been in use for years, cancer treatment SARS 1 etc.
We know the science on mRNA pretty much to the T. What is the outcome that you’re worried about with this? Specifically?
I’m not being snarky here, maybe we can talk this out a bit. I have enough background that with a lot of help maybe we can weed out way thru this? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
For instance with this tech, what outcome do you think is going to have such a delayed response and why?
Because there is no data on how this vaccine will effect people 5 years down the road. All current vaccines are not 100% safe. They give you a warning sheet when vaccinating your kids on the percentages of kids having bad reactions. Like mmr can give your kid seizures. It happens to a certain percentage of kids. They have years of data where the parent can make an informed decision.
This vaccine has not had the ability of 5 or 10 years worth of data. You can't just blatenly say trust science. They have been wrong before and hurt people. There is nothing wrong with someone being weary of a rushed vaccine that didn't go through all the normal protocols. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Because there is no data on how this vaccine will effect people 5 years down the road. All current vaccines are not 100% safe. They give you a warning sheet when vaccinating your kids on the percentages of kids having bad reactions. Like mmr can give your kid seizures. It happens to a certain percentage of kids. They have years of data where the parent can make an informed decision.
This vaccine has not had the ability of 5 or 10 years worth of data. You can't just blatenly say trust science. They have been wrong before and hurt people. There is nothing wrong with someone being weary of a rushed vaccine that didn't go through all the normal protocols.
For the record, they all went through the normal protocols. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
For the record, they all went through the normal protocols.
Not that I have followed to much on the subject. But has a vaccine ever been developed in released in this time frame? I even remember reading some articles when developing that they were basically skipping a lot of red tape to get it done. Could be completely off base but I personally wouldn't trust any vaccine for my child that hasn't been out for atleast 5 to 10 years. Especially when it is for a disease that doesn't effect their age group. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Because there is no data on how this vaccine will effect people 5 years down the road. All current vaccines are not 100% safe. They give you a warning sheet when vaccinating your kids on the percentages of kids having bad reactions. Like mmr can give your kid seizures. It happens to a certain percentage of kids. They have years of data where the parent can make an informed decision.
This vaccine has not had the ability of 5 or 10 years worth of data. You can't just blatenly say trust science. They have been wrong before and hurt people. There is nothing wrong with someone being weary of a rushed vaccine that didn't go through all the normal protocols.
all medications come with warnings, and even some meds have been removed from the market 10 years after they were proven safe, so maybe we should have 20-30-40-100 years of data to be sure, how much is enough , even in those cases the meds have done more good than harm. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Not that I have followed to much on the subject. But has a vaccine ever been developed in released in this time frame? I even remember reading some articles when developing that they were basically skipping a lot of red tape to get it done. Could be completely off base but I personally wouldn't trust any vaccine for my child that hasn't been out for atleast 5 to 10 years. Especially when it is for a disease that doesn't effect their age group.
H1N1 I think has a safe vaccine within a year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
But clinical trials can't produce real world results. Only real world delivery will do that.
Some of us aren't interested in trusting ONLY clinical trials, we want to see what happens out in the real world for a bit, too.
Just saying that it's not any different than the process used for previous vaccines. It was faster, sure, but it's not like they waited for 5 years of trials to roll out the polio vaccine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Not that I have followed to much on the subject. But has a vaccine ever been developed in released in this time frame? I even remember reading some articles when developing that they were basically skipping a lot of red tape to get it done. Could be completely off base but I personally wouldn't trust any vaccine for my child that hasn't been out for atleast 5 to 10 years. Especially when it is for a disease that doesn't effect their age group.
When something is the biggest medical priority in the world, all other work gets put aside, and that lets things happen very quickly. That doesn't mean that they cut corners. The trial process was as robust as any previous trial processes. If it wasn't, we would have been rolling out vaccines in July.
Also, these vaccines haven't yet been approved for kids, for the record. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Because there is no data on how this vaccine will effect people 5 years down the road. All current vaccines are not 100% safe. They give you a warning sheet when vaccinating your kids on the percentages of kids having bad reactions. Like mmr can give your kid seizures. It happens to a certain percentage of kids. They have years of data where the parent can make an informed decision.
This vaccine has not had the ability of 5 or 10 years worth of data. You can't just blatenly say trust science. They have been wrong before and hurt people. There is nothing wrong with someone being weary of a rushed vaccine that didn't go through all the normal protocols.
If it wasn't for science our life expentancy would be in the 30s not the 70s [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
There has been lawsuits recently about that vaccine and it's adverse effects. Here is an article I was reading the other day on the subject.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
When something is the biggest medical priority in the world, all other work gets put aside, and that lets things happen very quickly. That doesn't mean that they cut corners. The trial process was as robust as any previous trial processes. If it wasn't, we would have been rolling out vaccines in July.
Also, these vaccines haven't yet been approved for kids, for the record.
Fortunately for me, I wasn't alive when that happened. It wouldn't have changed my stance any but this is the first time this has actually come up in my lifetime. [Reply]