Originally Posted by listopencil:
Go watch it as soon as you can.
Frazod didn't lie, that was as good as Star Trek has been in quite some time. Many, many subtle nods to its own past that were done fantastically. They took a "same old, same old" formula and mastered it for this episode. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Just finished the season finale. Not only the best episode of the season, but it ranks among the best Star Trek episodes ever. Absolutely fantastic.
OK. Good. Because if you said anything other than that I would have told you to go fuck yourself. That shit was golden. [Reply]
Originally Posted by listopencil:
OK. Good. Because if you said anything other than that I would have told you to go **** yourself. That shit was golden.
This makes me wish Season 1 was longer. Season 2 is already in production at least. Hopefully Paramount recognizes what a success this is and Trek can continue to move in that direction.
Early speculation on Picard Season 3 gives me a little hope...I still need to finish up Season 2---but it has been such a dissappoint so far. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Just finished the season finale. Not only the best episode of the season, but it ranks among the best Star Trek episodes ever. Absolutely fantastic.
Gonna watch it tonight, but this is high praise. I have really enjoyed Strange New Worlds--even at its worst it has been light years ahead of Picard and Discovery. [Reply]
My second favorite TOS episode, behind Doomsday Machine, is Balance of Terror, which this very faithfully recreates (unlike their revised take on the Gorn). Much of the dialogue is lifted word for word. It worked perfectly.
As the episode unfolded, I immediately wondered if they were going to kill off Kirk, and that was the tragic event that wrecked the timeline, and then in the end when it was Spock, that was a real gut punch. It certainly makes sense, though. Without Spock's wisdom and counsel, Kirk is basically Custer on a space ship - eventually his luck would have run out.
It was also heavily implied in the end that Pike realizes he's just a placeholder for Kirk. In an earlier thread I wondered why, if Pike knows exactly when he's going to die, he wouldn't just not be there that day? Well, now we know. While the Jar Jar Abrams Star Trek was overall silly and lame, one of the best parts of it was the interaction between young Kirk and older Spock, where Spock explained how important the friendship/partnership between the two of them would be. One without the other just doesn't work.
This also borrowed a bit of the Voyager finale, where old Janeway came back to counsel young Janeway. This worked much better, though. I really liked the way Pike was initially lost, popping up in the middle of the Tomlinson wedding. The interaction between old Pike and young Pike was also a bit reminiscent of Guinan and Picard from Yesterday's Enterprise, which is my favorite TNG episode. I guess if you're going to lift elements from previous series, pick good ones and execute them well. That they did.
I guess the reveal of the new Scotty will come next season. Don't know who they got for the part, but damned if he didn't sound just like Doohan. Liked the kid who played Kirk, too. Although it would have been cool if he had used Shatner's staccato speaking style. That would have been a nice touch. Oh well. A small missed opportunity at best.
And also, FINALLY A GOOD OLD FASHIONED SPACE BATTLE! :-)
This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
So many cool things about this episode.
Spoiler!
My second favorite TOS episode, behind Doomsday Machine, is Balance of Terror, which this very faithfully recreates (unlike their revised take on the Gorn). Much of the dialogue is lifted word for word. It worked perfectly.
As the episode unfolded, I immediately wondered if they were going to kill off Kirk, and that was the tragic event that wrecked the timeline, and then in the end when it was Spock, that was a real gut punch. It certainly makes sense, though. Without Spock's wisdom and counsel, Kirk is basically Custer on a space ship - eventually his luck would have run out.
It was also heavily implied in the end that Pike realizes he's just a placeholder for Kirk. In an earlier thread I wondered why, if Pike knows exactly when he's going to die, he wouldn't just not be there that day? Well, now we know. While the Jar Jar Abrams Star Trek was overall silly and lame, one of the best parts of it was the interaction between young Kirk and older Spock, where Spock explained how important the friendship/partnership between the two of them would be. One without the other just doesn't work.
This also borrowed a bit of the Voyager finale, where old Janeway came back to counsel young Janeway. This worked much better, though. I really liked the way Pike was initially lost, popping up in the middle of the Tomlinson wedding. The interaction between old Pike and young Pike was also a bit reminiscent of Guinan and Picard from Yesterday's Enterprise, which is my favorite TNG episode. I guess if you're going to lift elements from previous series, pick good ones and execute them well. That they did.
I guess the reveal of the new Scotty will come next season. Don't know who they got for the part, but damned if he didn't sound just like Doohan. Liked the kid who played Kirk, too. Although it would have been cool if he had used Shatner's staccato speaking style. That would have been a nice touch. Oh well. A small missed opportunity at best.
And also, FINALLY A GOOD OLD FASHIONED SPACE BATTLE! :-)
This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2.
Also
Spoiler!
did you see how they filmed a few shots with the lights accentuating the eyes of the character that was the focus of the frame old ToS style? I noticed that a few times.
did you see how they filmed a few shots with the lights accentuating the eyes of the character that was the focus of the frame old ToS style? I noticed that a few times.
They lifted several musical cues from the original episode as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
So many cool things about this episode.
Spoiler!
My second favorite TOS episode, behind Doomsday Machine, is Balance of Terror, which this very faithfully recreates (unlike their revised take on the Gorn). Much of the dialogue is lifted word for word. It worked perfectly.
As the episode unfolded, I immediately wondered if they were going to kill off Kirk, and that was the tragic event that wrecked the timeline, and then in the end when it was Spock, that was a real gut punch. It certainly makes sense, though. Without Spock's wisdom and counsel, Kirk is basically Custer on a space ship - eventually his luck would have run out.
It was also heavily implied in the end that Pike realizes he's just a placeholder for Kirk. In an earlier thread I wondered why, if Pike knows exactly when he's going to die, he wouldn't just not be there that day? Well, now we know. While the Jar Jar Abrams Star Trek was overall silly and lame, one of the best parts of it was the interaction between young Kirk and older Spock, where Spock explained how important the friendship/partnership between the two of them would be. One without the other just doesn't work.
This also borrowed a bit of the Voyager finale, where old Janeway came back to counsel young Janeway. This worked much better, though. I really liked the way Pike was initially lost, popping up in the middle of the Tomlinson wedding. The interaction between old Pike and young Pike was also a bit reminiscent of Guinan and Picard from Yesterday's Enterprise, which is my favorite TNG episode. I guess if you're going to lift elements from previous series, pick good ones and execute them well. That they did.
I guess the reveal of the new Scotty will come next season. Don't know who they got for the part, but damned if he didn't sound just like Doohan. Liked the kid who played Kirk, too. Although it would have been cool if he had used Shatner's staccato speaking style. That would have been a nice touch. Oh well. A small missed opportunity at best.
And also, FINALLY A GOOD OLD FASHIONED SPACE BATTLE! :-)
This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2.
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Completely agree...this episode was amazing and one of the best of any Trek ever.
The TOS episode they refer back to is one of my favorites, and the music, dialogue, and scenes they replayed all turned out excellent.
Can't wait for the next season......and Lord knows, I have not said that about Trek for a long, long, time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
So many cool things about this episode.
Spoiler!
My second favorite TOS episode, behind Doomsday Machine, is Balance of Terror, which this very faithfully recreates (unlike their revised take on the Gorn). Much of the dialogue is lifted word for word. It worked perfectly.
As the episode unfolded, I immediately wondered if they were going to kill off Kirk, and that was the tragic event that wrecked the timeline, and then in the end when it was Spock, that was a real gut punch. It certainly makes sense, though. Without Spock's wisdom and counsel, Kirk is basically Custer on a space ship - eventually his luck would have run out.
It was also heavily implied in the end that Pike realizes he's just a placeholder for Kirk. In an earlier thread I wondered why, if Pike knows exactly when he's going to die, he wouldn't just not be there that day? Well, now we know. While the Jar Jar Abrams Star Trek was overall silly and lame, one of the best parts of it was the interaction between young Kirk and older Spock, where Spock explained how important the friendship/partnership between the two of them would be. One without the other just doesn't work.
This also borrowed a bit of the Voyager finale, where old Janeway came back to counsel young Janeway. This worked much better, though. I really liked the way Pike was initially lost, popping up in the middle of the Tomlinson wedding. The interaction between old Pike and young Pike was also a bit reminiscent of Guinan and Picard from Yesterday's Enterprise, which is my favorite TNG episode. I guess if you're going to lift elements from previous series, pick good ones and execute them well. That they did.
I guess the reveal of the new Scotty will come next season. Don't know who they got for the part, but damned if he didn't sound just like Doohan. Liked the kid who played Kirk, too. Although it would have been cool if he had used Shatner's staccato speaking style. That would have been a nice touch. Oh well. A small missed opportunity at best.
And also, FINALLY A GOOD OLD FASHIONED SPACE BATTLE! :-)
This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2.
There is just so much good stuff to mull over from this episode that I am still soaking it in. I mean, that is how you do a season ender, holy shit. I might go back and watch the entire season again. One of the things I liked about the episode that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that it really hammers home exactly why Spock did (will do) what he did (does) for Pike in The Menagerie. It's not just loyalty. It's not just friendship. It's a debt of honor that must be repaid and damn the costs or consequences. The showrunners have taken a throwaway pilot that was repurposed for budget reasons (IIRC) and just exploded from that starting point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by listopencil:
There is just so much good stuff to mull over from this episode that I am still soaking it in. I mean, that is how you do a season ender, holy shit. I might go back and watch the entire season again. One of the things I liked about the episode that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that it really hammers home exactly why Spock did (will do) what he did (does) for Pike in The Menagerie. It's not just loyalty. It's not just friendship. It's a debt of honor that must be repaid and damn the costs or consequences. The showrunners have taken a throwaway pilot that was repurposed for budget reasons (IIRC) and just exploded from that starting point.
I"ve been strongly considering re-watching the whole season. Just packed full of fan service done in a way that just fit right into the episodes with nothing feeling forced or like it was done for fan service.
If the awards were done in a fair way, a bunch should end up with the cast, writers, and director of this series. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
I"ve been strongly considering re-watching the whole season. Just packed full of fan service done in a way that just fit right into the episodes with nothing feeling forced or like it was done for fan service.
If the awards were done in a fair way, a bunch should end up with the cast, writers, and director of this series.
Yeah. I normally don't do rewatches like that but I'm really tempted and it's probably going to be a long wait for the next season. I watched each episode of ST:TOS so many times as a kid that I could do a full on synopsis of every one within just a few seconds of the opening. Drove my sister nuts. [Reply]
Another little detail that I missed but someone on IMDb didn't - in the original episode, the only casualty was the groom from the wedding.
In this one, the bride is one of the casualties.
