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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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comochiefsfan 09:20 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Can't find a solid Number 2 WR for this team!
Could be Gordon. Hard to say though since Andy won't play him.
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lcarus 09:23 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Metcalf, Johnson, McLaurin.

We got Hardman.

Good fucking job Veach.
I can only imagine this offense with Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, DK Metcalf, and Jonathan Taylor. That should've been a reality. Instead we got Mecole Hardman and Clyde Edwards-Helaire out there coughing footballs all over the turf.
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cdcox 09:26 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Could be Gordon. Hard to say though since Andy won't play him.
Gordon was blanketed by a LB for like 5 seconds on the Mahome's INT.
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comochiefsfan 09:27 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by lcarus:
I can only imagine this offense with Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, DK Metcalf, and Jonathan Taylor. That should've been a reality. Instead we got Mecole Hardman and Clyde Edwards-Helaire out there coughing footballs all over the turf.
Jonathan Taylor, or at the very least DeAndre Swift over CEH should've been obvious.

Hardman was a panic move over the Tyreek shit which should have been our first clue that Brett was in over his skis. Good GM's don't panic and reach to fill a perceived need.
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lcarus 09:30 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by cdcox:
Gordon was blanketed by a LB for like 5 seconds on the Mahome's INT.
Oh he played today? I thought I saw him out there for a play or two. It's been a month and this guy barely sees the field. It's feeling a whole lot like this years edition of Shady McCoy or LeVeon Bell. A big splash acquisition on offense that is the "missing piece" and by week 13 he's a healthy scratch for the rest of the season. I hope that's not the case and this guy starts getting playing time and produces.
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lcarus 09:35 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Jonathan Taylor, or at the very least DeAndre Swift over CEH should've been obvious.

Hardman was a panic move over the Tyreek shit which should have been our first clue that Brett was in over his skis. Good GM's don't panic and reach to fill a perceived need.
I know draft picks are often a crapshoot and every team misses more than they hit. But so many people here were calling for Metcalf and Swift or Taylor before those drafts. I don't watch college much so I didn't really know shit. But with so many posters here hoping for those guys and then the guy who gets paid millions to actually make the picks didn't take them but took other guys at the same positions who are trash. Pretty embarrassing to be honest.
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Titty Meat 10:12 PM 10-24-2021
Mecole Hardman-Bey
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OKchiefs 10:17 PM 10-24-2021
Where’s the cocksucker who constantly stanned for Veach, Hardman, Clark, not drafting corners high? Funny how that’s all gone to shit. Not so smart are you motherfucker?
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RunKC 10:18 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Metcalf, Johnson, McLaurin.

We got Hardman.

Good ****ing job Veach.
Seahawks got DK?!?! Only 31 teams passed on him twice!

Guess who picked a fucking RB the pick before we drafted Kelce?you guessed it! The Seattle fucking Seahawks. Same GM the whole time.

Seriously shut the fuck up with this shit.
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arrwheader 10:26 PM 10-24-2021
Fumbled again today. How many games in a row is that now?

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Mecca 10:31 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Seahawks got DK?!?! Only 31 teams passed on him twice!

Guess who picked a fucking RB the pick before we drafted Kelce?you guessed it! The Seattle fucking Seahawks. Same GM the whole time.

Seriously shut the fuck up with this shit.
It's perfectly fine to question a pick when half the board would have taken Metcalf. Same with the posters who's have taken Swift or Higgins et
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comochiefsfan 10:34 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by Mecca:
It's perfectly fine to question a pick when half the board would have taken Metcalf. Same with the posters who's have taken Swift or Higgins et
You can't question his lover Veach or else he throws a fit.
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RunKC 10:37 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by Mecca:
It's perfectly fine to question a pick when half the board would have taken Metcalf. Same with the posters who's have taken Swift or Higgins et
DK was the last pick of the 2nd rd and had a ton of questions coming out. You’re acting like the guy was a can’t miss prospect or some shit.
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Mecca 10:39 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
You can't question his lover Veach or else he throws a fit.
It's kinda dumb, Veach basically went against the grain on a bunch of picks yet we aren't supposed to say anything.

If you're gonna use high picks on a total bust in Speaks, guys with poor positional value, Bolton Humphrey Gay Helaire, and trades for guys who don't live up to billing...oh and the gadget player this thread is about...

He's open to being criticized. Even if Humphrey becomes a top 2 Center he isn't as valuable as a top 15 CB...and that's why devaluing CB is a huge issue with this team.
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Mecca 10:40 PM 10-24-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
DK was the last pick of the 2nd rd and had a ton of questions coming out. You’re acting like the guy was a can’t miss prospect or some shit.
He was a more productive player in college than Hardman...Hardmans literally an Al Davis pick all he can do is run fast.
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