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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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DTVietnam 09:30 PM 08-20-2021
Mahomes not Hardman was off tonight..if you say otherwise you didnt watch the game or youre too biased to see facts. . .

its preseason...typical Chiefs fans overreacting. .

Preseason where Darwin Thompson is the Chiefs MVP
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Hammock Parties 09:37 PM 08-20-2021
I would have liked to have seen Mahomes throw both of those passes to where they were catchable, but to date we have not seen Hardman make those catches.

Then he goes and loafs on a route leading to a pick.

Then finally he does something, but it's against a total scrub having a bad preseason.

We just need to see more. I trust Pringle or Robinson a lot more right now in that role, and having Pringle play that role allows Hardman to do gadget things. And those guys are better blockers, too.

Hardman has not earned Mahomes trust yet. Mahomes has been on the same page with Robinson since his rookie year on the other hand.
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Hammock Parties 09:40 PM 08-20-2021
Demarcus Robinson had 45 catches last year in a part time role. He is ready to take that next step. Until Mecole stops fucking up he can run jet sweeps and catch slants.

For a guy with more speed than just about anyone else on the field has he ever caught a bomb? We're waiting. I know I have seen D-Rob catch multiple bombs from Mahomes, and not just in preseason.
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Chiefspants 09:47 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Demarcus Robinson had 45 catches last year in a part time role. He is ready to take that next step. Until Mecole stops ****ing up he can run jet sweeps and catch slants.

For a guy with more speed than just about anyone else on the field has he ever caught a bomb? We're waiting. I know I have seen D-Rob catch multiple bombs from Mahomes, and not just in preseason.
Mecole caught a few in 2019, teams seem to adjust to his speed after and he’s never adjusted since.
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Hammock Parties 10:02 PM 08-20-2021
I legit don't remember a single bomb he ever caught. Maybe that one against Indianapolis on the sideline.

He's good at catching them in camp though.
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smithandrew051 10:05 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
I legit don't remember a single bomb he ever caught. Maybe that one against Indianapolis on the sideline.

He's good at catching them in camp though.
He caught one as part of that 28 point quarter against the Raiders in the Super Bowl year
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Titty Meat 10:06 PM 08-20-2021
You guys give up on certain players so fast and crown practice squad players after 1 good play. Very odd.
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Hammock Parties 10:08 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
He caught one as part of that 28 point quarter against the Raiders in the Super Bowl year
Oh yeah. Few and far between.
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wazu 10:14 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
You guys give up on certain players so fast and crown practice squad players after 1 good play. Very odd.
I think Hardman can be a roleplayer. But he will never have a thousand yard season. Just not that good. And he's worse at special teams.
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Bill Brasky 10:19 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
He caught one as part of that 28 point quarter against the Raiders in the Super Bowl year
Yeah and he had a second that game, which was pulled back due to a holding penalty I think.
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Titty Meat 10:21 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by wazu:
I think Hardman can be a roleplayer. But he will never have a thousand yard season. Just not that good. And he's worse at special teams.
That would be an hell of an accomplishment considering Hill and Kelce are both 1,000 yard guys. Dont think we'll get 3 unless CEH gets more touches
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Hammock Parties 10:22 PM 08-20-2021
I don't think it matters because Andy and Mahomes are going to do what they do.

It matters long term though because Mecole is never going to be a starting receiver at this rate.

We need to start looking for Hill's replacement in the next draft or two.
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Beef Supreme 10:23 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
You guys give up on certain players so fast and crown practice squad players after 1 good play. Very odd.
Duh!
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wazu 10:33 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
That would be an hell of an accomplishment considering Hill and Kelce are both 1,000 yard guys. Dont think we'll get 3 unless CEH gets more touches
Fair, but when I say "never", I mean for any other team.
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Hammock Parties 10:54 PM 08-20-2021
Mecole's days are numbered.

I didn’t think this take is controversial. It’s a need for the Chiefs. Hard to argue otherwise.

— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) August 21, 2021

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