a lot of hand waving and deus ex machina, basically
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Finally saw this last night. Overall mixed obviously. Some random first thoughts below:

Overall I could just about deal with Palpatine but think they could’ve done it a lot better - like he could maybe have been a Sauron/Voldemort spirit and needed Rey and Ren’s power to restore him. I guess that’s been done in LOTR and HP so maybe thought it was too obvious

I could deal with Rey being a palpatine but they should have figured that out from the start. She was a Skywalker in TFA, nobody in TLJ and the Palpatine in TROS. Also like everyone says above, the emperor never banged anyone so maybe she should’ve been a niece or something

Some seriously bad acting at times. Finn and Poe together are awful. In general I don’t like Poe - trying to be Han but not fit to tie his cleats

Finn was a waste of time and should have died in the last one

There was no real character development for Rey. They should’ve figured out if she was untrained and not ready, or nearly trained and needed a final mission to finish, or just a fully trained badass ready for emperor lightning skills/yoda jumping. She lost to Ren quite easily, leia saved her. They should’ve done a lot more with her resisting the dark side.

I didn’t mind Ren/Ben in this one. The thing with Han was pretty well done.

People dying/ coming back was stupid shit. Chewy dead for one minute was pointless

Lando was disappointing and creepy at the end

Everyone turning up in battle craft was too random and unnecessary

C3PO’s memory should’ve stayed wiped or gone back in with R2’s attitude added

Dark side Rey should’ve been seen more

The power ranger woman was pointless as were all the othe new characters that they’ve just put in for spin off movies

Overall it felt like Disney just wanted the original saga over with so they can get on with milking new stories. I think Han and Leia came out of these 3 films unscathed but Luke was messed with a bit too much. His ending in TLJ was ok for me though.

I think the film was a bit too ‘glossy’ I liked some of the stuff in TFA that abrams did which had a grittier feel. Although there were some nice shots in this one - the rolling scene in the star destroyer with Poe and Finn was excellent, if only it was with someone other than the worst 2 characters in the film

6/10
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Palpatine was resurrected by The Sith followers.

Rey’s powers can be easily explained:

1. She was the Last Jedi. The shroud of the Dark Side no longer existed in the known galaxy as Palpatine was far, far away in the Unknown Regions and not fully regenerated.

2. She studied the actual Journal of the Whills, which were previously in Luke’s possession and found resting in the first Jedi Temple.

3. We have no proof that every other Jedi actually studied the Journal and it’s clear that much of the information was lost and/or not taught to the previous Jedi.

4. Kylo Ren and Rey were a Force Dyad, meaning that any power that she had, he had as well (e.g., the Force healing).

Force healers were well known in the Legends EU, so it wasn’t a surprise to see on screen.
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Nah. When Sidious was talking to Anakin about creating life and cheating death with the Midichlorians and Plagueis endless years of research into it and being the only one to even come close, I can't buy that there was a book that Rey read and figured it out.
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The Journal of the Whills is the basis for the entire Jedi Order so it makes sense that after 30,000 years, some aspects of The Force were forgotten or not taught without them.

Plus, Qui Gon discovered the secret of immortality and taught Yoda, who taught Obi Wan, who taught Luke and so on.

Sidious was never immortal, he was resurrected by Sith Black Magic, some of which we saw in The Clone Wars series with the Sith Witches of Dathomir, specifically Mother Talzin.
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So Palpatine’s sith followers were all blown up in the arena along with him, therefore there are none left now to “Freddy Kruger” him ad infinitum?
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Sure seems that way. The entire arena collapsed on them all as well.
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This is very helpful. I read about 9 diff articles on this yesterday after the movie, and none of them made any sense. “Just because” isn’t an explanation. This should tie things up with Claynus but.....we know it won’t.
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I didn’t think they were actual people when I watch it. I thought it was more like the souls of previous Sith.
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Nah I think the crowd was a bunch of angry drunkards disillusioned with all the recent losses.


You know: Chiefs fans
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Her explanation is way too simplistic as well. "I take my life force and transfer it to another being." Well shit, if it's that easy why wasn't it discovered by accident. No one ever just tried to do that?
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We have to read books and watch side tv shows to understand this movie?

Mother fucker.
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I don’t know that it’s required but much of this film felt like EU Fan Service, which is something a loud segment of fans wanted, so JJ delivered.

Just like George, there is no way that JJ could please everyone so he chose to go the Fan Service route instead of pushing the story in a new direction like RJ.
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I think they suffered from not pushing the release date back and hammering down the plot more so as it felt so rushed even tho an incredible amount happened.
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