Originally Posted by RealSNR:
**** you Wallcrawler
Nothing like rent free digs in your head.
I'm especially impressed by the garden of idiocy you're cultivating with the aid of the cranial compost heap you have passing for a brain.
Just keep screaming into your pillow and punching it as hard as you can. You'll never muster enough pride to just take your own life, so you have to deal with your bad feels as best you can.
Try not to shit your pants today, okay retard? [Reply]
As Chiefs GM, Brett Veach has made 41 draft picks.
Of those 41 picks:
34 are still on an NFL roster. 24 are still on the Chiefs roster. 15 are starters for the Chiefs. 14 were drafted after the 2nd round. All 4 of his 1st round picks are still on the Chiefs roster. pic.twitter.com/xR01CwBFWu
Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.
But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*
* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.
Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.
Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.
How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stevegroganfan:
Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.
But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*
* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.
Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.
Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.
How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well.
Originally Posted by stevegroganfan:
Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.
But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*
* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.
Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.
Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.
How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well.
Does Bill get credit for Brady who was drafted as an afterthought? You can argue the credit for KCs success to those people you mentioned, but being a GM is more than just drafting well. It’s about retaining the right players at the right price. It’s good that you bring up Dorsey/Mahomes because the chances of Mahomes landing in KC without Veach are minimal at best if not a 0% chance.
Jones was important to the success of the defense, but outside of him, every other starter on defense was either drafted by him or brought in as a FA by him. On offense we saw what happens when Mahomes, despite being the best QB in the league with elite talent at WR and TE does when he has no protection. Veach not only addressed it, but built one of the best lines in the NFL. He brought in critical yet underrated pieces like McKinnon who were also a boon to this offense.
He stole one of the league’s best kickers from the Carolina PS and then drafted one of the top punters in the league before moving on from him and signing an elite punter coming out of college.
He took $70 in cap space (or something close to that) and turned that into the largest QB contract ever at the time while extending two of the players you mentioned above (Kelce and Jones). He moved on from Hill and the team got better.
Your assessment definitely shows that you are not a Chiefs fan and screams average NFL Network watcher with only talking point evaluations of Veach. He is absolutely one of the biggest reasons for KC’s unprecedented success. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Nothing like rent free digs in your head.
I'm especially impressed by the garden of idiocy you're cultivating with the aid of the cranial compost heap you have passing for a brain.
Just keep screaming into your pillow and punching it as hard as you can. You'll never muster enough pride to just take your own life, so you have to deal with your bad feels as best you can.
Try not to shit your pants today, okay reerun?
A guy who can't talk about Andy Reid without bitching up a storm about his playcalling wrote this post.
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
A guy who can't talk about Andy Reid without bitching up a storm about his playcalling wrote this post.
Glass houses and stones, bitch.
I think maybe I've posted twice in the lounge since April 2. Few posts in media center before yesterday.
Yet there you are, Wallcrawler at the forefront of that shitpile you call a mind. I'd be flattered at your obsession if you weren't such a knuckle dragging pant shitter.
Originally Posted by stevegroganfan:
Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.
But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*
* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.
Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.
Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.
How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well.
-The entire defense sans Chris Jones was constructed by Veach, which heavily carried this last team to it's 3rd Super Bowl.
-Moving on from Hill wasn't a no brainer when you see how well he's done individually, as well as the entire league declaring we were cooked after the trade. There were actual NFL experts out there that believed Tyreek made Mahomes and he would struggle mightily without him. Veach made the shrewd decision of letting him go and believed that Mahomes would make up the difference, and was correct.
-You're gonna have to give some credit to Veach for discovering Mahomes in the first place. Dorsey probably doesn't trade up if Veach wasn't so insistent that Mahomes was the best football player he'd ever seen.
-The dude's draft classes the last 5 years just speak for themselves. You might think it's easy to maintain a dynasty when you have the 6 guys you mentioned, but with Mahomes taking up as much cap as he is, you BETTER draft well to keep this thing rolling. Thank god he has. [Reply]