So there's an article on NFL network saying that Orlando Brown is expected to sign for 6 years $145 mil.
That comes to $24.16 mil/yr and makes him the highest paid offensive lineman in football. It also would give him the 19th highest salary per year in the NFL
How would you feel if that is the contract he ended up signing?
I'm fine with it. He is a top 5 LT and he's only 26 next season. A young great LT is a guy you can't let leave. [Reply]
Eh I'm over it. Show up to camp play games prove your worth to the Kingdom or look for another team next season. This is probably better than giving him all that money now he has to go earn it. I think more likely he will show up and be at his best, that's not saying best LT but play at his potential motivated and that could make him better for a long contract next year. He still needs to see his value or worth before he will ever get anything but disappointment that other teams aren't reaching deep in their pockets for his service next year.
Good job Bank Vault best GM in the business. [Reply]
If he wants bigger and better g-money, he needs to get to camp day 1 and show it. At this point that's all I really care about; pay him if he's earned or it or tag and trade him next season, we'll deal with it then. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
It’s not being greedy. It’s being reasonable to ask for your market value. This is a sport that your career can end on any play and the team will cut you in that scenario as soon as they can to not pay you. Just look at EriccFisger and Mitchell Schwartz for easy examples of that.
Last year a 33year old left tackle got 6 years for 138m. 23m aav. That was when the salary cap was 182.5m. That salary cap has gone up to 208…an increase of 14% to the cap, so a fair “top of the market” value for the current cap would be approximately 26m aav for a LT.
Orlando is 26 and is in the best shape of his pro career (based on recent pictures) so if his agent is trying to make his mark, I can see him demanding that $. Orlando is on the non exclusive tag, so he’s free to negotiate with any NFL team right now and I’m sure a few have told him they would give him that much if it didn’t require a premium trade.
I’m sure Veach wants to try and stay under 20m aav, but that’s unrealistic.
Hopefully, they can ink him to a deal that falls dead center of those 2 numbers for a new 6 year contract. A hair above the Trent Williams deal is what is likely considered “fair value” with all of that considered.
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
No deal between Chiefs and Orlando Brown will get done today, but KC was aggressive.
Its final offer was a six-year, $139 million deal ($23.16M avg) that included a $30.25 million signing bonus and $95 million in first five years.
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Thanks for pointing that out. I am not aware of the figures for other top LT contracts if you throw out that final year.
Everyone with an AAV over $18 million
Williams ($23 million AAV; Effective guarantees are 3/$55)
Bakhtiari ($23 million AAV; Effective guarantees 3/68)
Tunsil ($22 million AAV; EG 3/$57 million)
Stanley (19.75 AAV; 4/76 EG)
Ramczyk (19.2 AAV; 3/53 EG)
O'Neill (18.5 AAV; 2/26.4)
Mathews (18.33 AAV; 2/$37)
Johnson (18 AAV; No earthly idea; this contract is a shit show full of voidable years, restructure bonuses, option bonuses that triggered 2 years ago - fuck if I know what this thing actually says...)
But the average 'effective guarantees' on those deals are roughly 3 years, $56 million. Had they guaranteed that 3rd year (maybe they did?), the effective guarantees for Browns deal would've been 3/$58 and that's extremely fair given that Brown isn't on the same level as most of those guys.
Maybe it all came down to the 3rd year? Or maybe he wanted the 4th year of EGs that Stanley got? And ultimately I can't blame the Chiefs for not wanting to do that.
Let's not fool ourselves here fellas - if PM wanted it done, it would have gotten done. That's his blind-side protector. If Patrick had said to Andy "Hey, I want that guy blocking for me for the next half-decade and I trust him to keep me clean..." then the Chiefs wouldn't have had a problem giving more protections on that 4th year.
PM's silence here means plenty. The fact that it was guarantees that killed it tells me that Mahomes simply isn't 100% sold on OBJ as his blind side. [Reply]
2 years at about $20 million total for solid LT play and at worst you let him walk for a 3rd round comp pick. You gave up the effective value of a mid-2nd for that.
You do that every single time. It's not a grand slam or anything, but that's a solid double into the gap. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Shaid:
We got him for the value of a 2nd round pick and right now we're going to get 2 years out of him if he walks after this season. If he does walk, we'll get a 3rd round comp. So we effectively rented a Top 10 LT for 2 years by trading a 2 for a 3. I'm ok with that.
Aaaaaaaaand got two future All Pros as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Then the Chiefs won the trade.
2 years at about $20 million total for solid LT play and at worst you let him walk for a 3rd round comp pick. You gave up the effective value of a mid-2nd for that.
You do that every single time. It's not a grand slam or anything, but that's a solid double into the gap.
This. This is absolutely the way I'm looking at this situation going forward.
Now let's hope he doesn't let this n00b agent talk him into skipping training camp (provided that wasn't his plan from the beginning). [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
This. This is absolutely the way I'm looking at this situation going forward.
Now let's hope he doesn't let this n00b agent talk him into skipping training camp (provided that wasn't his plan from the beginning).
If he signs the tender, he's not skipping camp. And if he's willing to play on the tag it's a clear 'bet on himself' situation so he'd be a complete moron to skip camp.
I bet he signs and is there on day 1. And honestly, we had the cap space to handle his contract this year. The $ on it is relatively low anyway. If he proves he's worth that kind of money and guarantees next year, the deal still only starts when he's 27 and that's nothing for an OT.
There's nothing hurt here. It's not like he's gonna get 30 in AAV if he performs like a 1st team All Pro next season. Only generational guys ever blow a scale apart like that and he's just not that kind of talent.
The Chiefs don't appear to have lost out on a potential discount rate over the life of a LTC here so they never had much incentive to go beyond where they wanted to be.