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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Donger 02:33 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Sure but his point still stands. We haven't topped 200k yet (That we know) at this time in H1N1 we had over a million in the world infected.

So it really break down to either China Virus is alot less deadly and more people have it than we know by a factor of 5. Or its not a easy to spread as H1N1 thus far.
Or, we would have much higher case numbers than we have without countries locking down.
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BleedingRed 02:33 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by jjjayb:
Fatality rates based on what? Known cases or estimated cases? We have no idea how many people actually have this now. Especially when you read reports that some people have it and don't even know they have it. That most cases are mild with some not showing any signs of having it. The more people that have this the lower the fatality rate. I think the number of people who have it or have had it is much higher than what is reported.
Exactly....... Or if you refuse to believe that you are admitting at this point of a pandemic H1N1 was more infectious
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DaFace 02:33 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Sure but his point still stands. We haven't topped 200k yet (That we know) at this time in H1N1 we had over a million in the world infected.

So it really break down to either China Virus is alot less deadly and more people have it than we know by a factor of 5. Or its not a easy to spread as H1N1 thus far.
I guess if the explanation that "these things are complex, and I trust the people who spend their entire lives studying these things over random people on the internet doing basic math with a calculator" doesn't cut it, I'm not sure there's a lot of middle ground to discuss.
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Donger 02:34 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by jjjayb:
Fatality rates based on what? Known cases or estimated cases? We have no idea how many people actually have this now. Especially when you read reports that some people have it and don't even know they have it. That most cases are mild with some not showing any signs of having it. The more people that have this the lower the fatality rate. I think the number of people who have it or have had it is much higher than what is reported.
Yes, known cases and deaths. And yes, I'm aware that the true rate won't be known until this is over, and even then, it will still be an estimated.
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BleedingRed 02:35 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Or, we would have much higher case numbers than we have without countries locking down.
That is irrelevant to the point he is making.
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Marcellus 02:35 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Sure but his point still stands. We haven't topped 200k yet (That we know) at this time in H1N1 we had over a million in the world infected.

So it really break down to either China Virus is alot less deadly and more people have it than we know by a factor of 5. Or its not a easy to spread as H1N1 thus far.
1MM cases of H1N1 in the US in 72 days, not in the world.


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-timeline.html

The numbers were are being fed don't add up to a lockdown. It just doesn't.
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stumppy 02:36 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I guess if the explanation that "these things are complex, and I trust the people who spend their entire lives studying these things over random people on the internet doing basic math with a calculator" doesn't cut it, I'm not sure there's a lot of middle ground to discuss.

:-)
Exactly
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BleedingRed 02:37 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I guess if the explanation that "these things are complex, and I trust the people who spend their entire lives studying these things over random people on the internet doing basic math with a calculator" doesn't cut it, I'm not sure there's a lot of middle ground to discuss.
I mean logically its their job to look at everything like its the end of the world. I'm of the group that said **** it we've lost control and panic has set in.


But I also believe the Economic harm will vastly outweigh the harm the virus will due by the end. (At least when it comes to us)
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Donger 02:37 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
As I suspected you didn't read all the posts leading up to the convo you butted in on and started arguing numbers that are incorrect.
I guess I missed it. I'd actually like to see the figures. I suppose I'll do a search if you won't post them.

The numbers for H1N1 are known. The ones we have for SARS-CoV-2 come from epidemiologists and other medical professionals. Sorry, but you'll forgive me if I'll side with them versus your gut.
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Donger 02:38 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
That is irrelevant to the point he is making.
No, it isn't. At all.
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Donger 02:40 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
1MM cases of H1N1 in the US in 72 days, not in the world.


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-timeline.html

The numbers were are being fed don't add up to a lockdown. It just doesn't.
And did we lock down during H1N1?
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jjjayb 02:40 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Yes, known cases and deaths. And yes, I'm aware that the true rate won't be known until this is over, and even then, it will still be an estimated.
Considering that most of the known cases are people that have been tested because they're sick enough to be hospitalized, the fatality rate is going to be very skewed to make it appear worse than what it is.

If you look at the number of deaths from the regular flu compared to just people who have tested positive for it you would think the flu had a 10% fatality rate. Of course, we know that's not true because they're are far far more people who get the flu that don't get tested. When we look at the mortality rate for the flu, that rate is based off of the estimated cases of the flu, which is in the millions. People actually tested is only in the hundreds of thousands.

I see no reason to think that this virus is any different.
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TLO 02:42 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
And did we lock down during H1N1?
Is it bad that I don't remember?
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Donger 02:42 PM 03-19-2020
Originally Posted by jjjayb:
Considering that most of the known cases are people that have been tested because they're sick enough to be hospitalized, the fatality rate is going to be very skewed to make it appear worse than what it is.

If you look at the number of deaths from the regular flu compared to just people who have tested positive for it you would think the flu had a 10% fatality rate. Of course, we know that's not true because they're are far far more people who get the flu that don't get tested. When we look at the mortality rate for the flu, that rate is based off of the estimated cases of the flu, which is in the millions. People actually tested is only in the hundreds of thousands.

I see no reason to think that this virus is any different.
Yes, I'm aware of all that, thanks.
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displacedinMN 02:43 PM 03-19-2020

"Hawaii Five-0" and "Lost" actor Daniel Dae Kim revealed he tested positive for the Coronavirus in a 10-minute Instagram video. pic.twitter.com/QqcB2Ob8Aq

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) March 19, 2020


How are all of these famous people getting this?? Just because they are around more people?
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