Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
We are here at a news press conference with MU spokesperson Christian Basi. He said all of the faculty and students who came back from a conference in New Orleans, where one student was tested presumptive positive for COVID-19, are advised to stay isolated. @KOMUnewspic.twitter.com/vqoRADRfMA
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
With so many people quarantined/working from home/social distanced, the NCAA Tournament could have its highest TV ratings ever.
It would have no impact at all on my desire to watch the game. The atmosphere is cool, but its not why I watch. [Reply]
Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn:
No one wants to watch a fucking scrimmage
It's still the tourney and the games still mean as much with or without fans. If there is real concern for this spreading, they would play behind closed doors - at the very least.
I want to watch sporting events and don't want to see them canceled either, but if prevents the spread of this then it's worth it, IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Well if you don't get it early - there may not be any ventilators left - as is happening in Italy. So you won't have to be intubated but you will die.
Yeah. Think I'll do what I can to get it ASAP so I can be intubated if necessary and won't die :-) [Reply]
And yet there were no mass school/college closures, no mass cancellations of large scale events, no mass cancellations of sporting events during the H1N1 Flu Pandemic.
What is different about COVID-19 compared to the 2009-2019 H1N1 Flu that justifies this more extreme (over) reaction?
The difference is that H1N1 didn't overwhelm hospitals.
The experience of Wuhan and now Italy is that without aggressive steps to force social distancing, C19 spreads rapidly enough and causes enough serious cases to overwhelm ICU beds and available ventilators.
The death rate for those 30 to 60 is low if good treatment is available.
Some in this age group won't show symptoms and then many will be okay staying home. But some will need to be on ventilators for weeks. The death rate isn't going to be under 1% where/when hospitals are overwhelmed.
Overwhelmed hospitals negatively affects all the other patients hospitals would normally be treating.
If the USA can force enough social distancing for long enough like South Korea, things won't be too bad. There will be a hit to those over 70, but that can be reduced by good care.
A business as usual could be pretty bad. Although it is certainly possible that warmer weather will naturally slow the spread which would help tremendously.
The economy is going to take some sort of hit whether from proactive closures and/or sick workers. [Reply]
And yet there were no mass school/college closures, no mass cancellations of large scale events, no mass cancellations of sporting events during the H1N1 Flu Pandemic.
What is different about COVID-19 compared to the 2009-2019 H1N1 Flu that justifies this more extreme (over) reaction?
The difference is that H1N1 didn't overwhelm hospitals.
The experience of Wuhan and now Italy is that without aggressive steps to force social distancing, C19 spreads rapidly enough and causes enough serious cases to overwhelm ICU beds and available ventilators.
The death rate for those 30 to 60 is low if good treatment is available.
Some in this age group won't show symptoms and then many will be okay staying home. But some will need to be on ventilators for weeks. The death rate isn't going to be under 1% where/when hospitals are overwhelmed.
Overwhelmed hospitals negatively affects all the other patients hospitals would normally be treating.
If the USA can force enough social distancing for long enough like South Korea, things won't be too bad. There will be a hit to those over 70, but that can be reduced by good care.
A business as usual could be pretty bad. Although it is certainly possible that warmer weather will naturally slow the spread which would help tremendously.
The economy is going to take some sort of hit whether from proactive closures and/or sick workers. [Reply]
