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The Lounge>Fangio: "Drew Lock is a hard-throwing pitcher who doesn't know how to pitch yet."
RealSNR 08:52 PM 07-20-2019
I mean, he's not wrong. I kind of like how brutally honest he is.

Just a friendly reminder for draft media pundits to stop with the notion that any of these Drew Lock/Josh Allen/Chad Kelly hard-throwing morons are Patrick Mahomes. A: Patrick Mahomes STILL has a superior arm over all of them, and B: You need way more than just a hard-throwing arm in order to be Patrick Mahomes. Waaaaaaay more.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...uarterback-yet

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When Drew Lock fell out of the first round and into the Denver Broncos' lap at No. 42 in the 2019 NFL Draft, the quarterback was deemed a steal. A first-round arm talent and potential starter on a second-round rookie contract? Sign us up, the Broncos probably screamed in their draft room.

But just two days into training camp practice, Broncos coach Vic Fangio threw cold water on the notion that Lock was ready to play in a professional football game, much less take Joe Flacco's starting job in Denver.

Lock's lively but wild arm, Fangio told reporters Friday, needs to be tempered.

"I think a quarterback that can change his arm angles is a position when it's needed. You don't want to do it when you don't have to do it. Obviously if someone's in my face and I have to do it, that's good to have that talent," Fangio explained. "But if I'm strong in the pocket and there's nothing, I want to throw over the top, nice and strong. I don't want to rely on side-arms. It's good that he can do that, but he needs to use that when he needs to and not when he doesn't need to. His college offense really had no carryover to pro offenses. He was under duress a lot in college, so a lot of his plays he was running around.

"I don't think he's far along as far as being as NFL-ready a quarterback as he could've been. That's what I mean when I say he's got to get ready. He's not a quarterback yet -- he's a hard-throwing pitcher that doesn't know how to pitch yet. The faster he gets that, the better off he'll be and we'll be."

Like a 21st-century gridiron version of Ricky Vaughn, Lock has arm velocity and strength, but doesn't yet boast the touch and accuracy of a professional gunslinger. This was the rub on Lock coming out of Missouri, though that didn't keep the Broncos reportedly considering Lock the top quarterback on their board.

Perhaps Denver felt confident taking a chance on the boom-or-bust Lock because it had traded for the veteran Flacco, a safe and steady Super Bowl-winning signal-caller who can mentor (or not mentor) Lock through his rookie season.

If Fangio's honest commentary on Friday means anything, though, the Broncos are not going to be as gung-ho about pushing Lock into a starting position.

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TEX 11:39 AM 08-03-2019
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
That's a really stupid way of looking at things. He's bungled practically every QB decision he could possibly make in his time as GM or whatever stupid ****ing Mayor McCheese title he gave himself that's not just "general manager"

1. Drafted Lynch. Nuff said on that one.

2. Took what was a good move at the time in turning a 7th round pick into a pretty good backup QB in Semen... but then farted that away when he started depending on him as a weekly starter. And when that ended up not being good enough, he threw the baby out with the bathwater and traded the best QB to play for him post-Manning, when that guy was a very valuable backup QB with lots of starting experience

3. When he decided THAT backup QB wasn't good enough he paid out the ass for another team's backup QB-- Case Keenum. Boy, the huddles never looked so good!

4. Let's go back to Lynch. In doing so, he put too much faith in that loser such that he stood pat in the following years of QBs. For what reason? I don't really know. He never gave that guy a chance to start a game, so I don't know why he couldn't see it coming much earlier. If he actually knew shit about QBs, he would have been more aggressive in drafting other guys in 2017 and 2018. But hey... Swag Kelly in the 7th round!

5. To further elaborate on #4, when he needs to draft, he trades/signs a veteran. When he needs to let things simmer, he aggressively cycles in and out of QBs worse than the noman's land years of the Cleveland Browns. And when opportunities to take ACTUALLY good QBs come his way, he all of a sudden turns into a cheapass, almost like he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And yet he'll spend $18 million per year on Case ****ing Keenum.

6. Oh, by the way... in 2017 given the choices of Semen, Lynch, Swag, and Kyle Sloter, he let Sloter walk, who has since become the primary backup in Minnesota. Swag is a 3rd stringer for the Lions, Semen is... don't know where he is, and LYNCH IS OUT OF THE LEAGUE. He let the wrong guy walk and the two guys who were his "future" ended up being worse than that guy.

I can go on, dude. There's more to elaborate on. I haven't even gotten to Flacco and Lock yet. I haven't covered Assweiler yet.

John Elway doesn't know ****ing QBs at all. He's not just 0-1 in drafting franchise guys. He hasn't made one good goddamn decision when it comes to scouting QBs in his ENTIRE STINT as Mayor McCheese of Denver. No, Manning doesn't count--- ****ing Herm could have said that would be a good idea to pursue him.
Fast forward to this past off season - Elway should have traded a #2 for Rosen instead of wasting it on Lockweiler.
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New World Order 11:41 AM 08-03-2019
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
The guy who said Lockweiler was right on.
You predicted the name of the cereal.

Nice
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Cave Johnson 11:52 AM 08-03-2019
Originally Posted by TEX:
Fast forward to this past off season - Elway should have traded a #2 for Rosen instead of wasting it on Lockweiler.
Rosen isnít MAGA enough for Horseface.
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RunKC 11:52 AM 08-03-2019
I do give them credit for trying. Lynch, Osweiler and soon to be Lock suck, but at least they are actually trying to get the guy.

I hate it that this franchise went over 30 goddamn years without being serious about the position.

Thank Christ thatís over
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RunKC 08-03-2019, 11:57 AM
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RealSNR 12:36 PM 08-03-2019
I will also never understand how Elway can believe in drafting and developing all these QBs without ever hiring a QB-friendly head coach! Not once has he attempted to do that! Kubiak for one year. That's what he gave his QBs. That's it. He seriously thought some dipshit Dolphins DC and now the modern day NFL coaching equivalent of General Scheisskopf was good enough for any young QB who needs lots of work like Lynch and now Lock do.

He keeps hiring defensive minded guys. Yes, defensive coaches can often have good relationships with and work with young QB talent, but you're just not ever going to find that to be the case with first year head coaches. Marty got Rivers off the ground, Parcells with Bledsoe, Coughlin and Eli, Carroll with Wilson... and I'm probably missing a couple more. like, we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

About the only counterexample in the past many years where a first year defensive head coach developed with a young QB is Tomlin with Roethlisberger, and even then Roethlisberger had Cowher for a single season (though I'm not sure how much that really helped him)
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RealSNR 12:39 PM 08-03-2019
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I do give them credit for trying. Lynch, Osweiler and soon to be Lock suck, but at least they are actually trying to get the guy.

I hate it that this franchise went over 30 goddamn years without being serious about the position.

Thank Christ thatís over
That's what I said prior to Mahomes about the Cleveland Browns. "At least they try, unlike the Chiefs for the past 30 years."

And everybody screamed at me and told me to shove an AIDStree up my ass.
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WhiteWhale 01:21 PM 08-03-2019
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
That's what I said prior to Mahomes about the Cleveland Browns. "At least they try, unlike the Chiefs for the past 30 years."

And everybody screamed at me and told me to shove an AIDStree up my ass.
If Carl Peterson was running the Broncos they'd still have Keenum and insisting he's got the goods and that it's everyone else who has to get better.

Is he dead yet?
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