Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by jdubya:
I am a bit buzzed but I am in my mid 50`s with some life experience. The exchange between "Hamas" and "Pete" remind me of exchanges between a general contractor and an architect on a building site. The architect is showing the builder why something will work on paper while the builder is physically showing the architect why it is impossible to build in reality. (Those of you in construction know what I am talking about lol)
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Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing
Bernajoy Vaal
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Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable possibilities.
Aristotle
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When one proves the impossible to be possible, the perspective of impossible changes for everyone else.
Originally Posted by jdubya:
I am a bit buzzed but I am in my mid 50`s with some life experience. The exchange between "Hamas" and "Pete" remind me of exchanges between a general contractor and an architect on a building site. The architect is showing the builder why something will work on paper while the builder is physically showing the architect why it is impossible to build in reality. (Those of you in construction know what I am talking about lol)
I don't disagree with this, but note that the architect keeps pointing across the street at the completed house his friend built with the same schematics. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't disagree with this, but note that the architect keeps pointing across the street at the completed house his friend built with the same schematics.
If you played an Eddie Van Halen song on Eddie Van Halen's guitar on Eddie Van Halen's rig you would still not sound like Eddie Van Halen.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
So back to the topic and actual numbers...
Today was the highest number of new cases since April 25th.
On April 25th we had over 2k new deaths and had been between 1.5k to 2.5kish deaths leading up to that time.
Today we had just a scratch over 800 new deaths by comparison. So hopefully this surge in cases is not going to come with a surge in deaths and thus far it has not.
I don't remember and I'm not going back to look but what was the lag time the first time around from when confirmed cases were spiking and when deaths started to spike? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
If you played an Eddie Van Halen song on Eddie Van Halen's guitar on Eddie Van Halen's rig you would still not sound like Eddie Van Halen.
Originally Posted by jdubya:
I am a bit buzzed but I am in my mid 50`s with some life experience. The exchange between "Hamas" and "Pete" remind me of exchanges between a general contractor and an architect on a building site. The architect is showing the builder why something will work on paper while the builder is physically showing the architect why it is impossible to build in reality. (Those of you in construction know what I am talking about lol)
To me, it's more like exchanges between a bus driver and an architect on a building site. The architect is showing the bus driver why something will work on paper while the bus driver is physically showing the architect why it is impossible to build in reality. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pants:
To me, it's more like exchanges between a bus driver and an architect on a building site. The architect is showing the bus driver why something will work on paper while the bus driver is physically showing the architect why it is impossible to build in reality.
If that floats your boat ......run with it. It isnt my point at all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
And I am not saying this is the most sensible way but the quickest way to get there is to stop all the hiding. Ripping the band aid off always comes with the additional pain.
To advocate for herd immunity over a vaccine is insanity.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't disagree with this, but note that the architect keeps pointing across the street at the completed house his friend built with the same schematics.
Nope. That dog doesnt hunt. The outside of the house is completed but it wasnt to spec as written paper. I think you missed my point. Both can be right and both can be wrong. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
So back to the topic and actual numbers...
Today was the highest number of new cases since April 25th.
On April 25th we had over 2k new deaths and had been between 1.5k to 2.5kish deaths leading up to that time.
Today we had just a scratch over 800 new deaths by comparison. So hopefully this surge in cases is not going to come with a surge in deaths and thus far it has not.
On April 25th we had been stock piling people in hospitals for a solid month. The people who were dying on April 25 had been in the hospital for a couple weeks. We are on the upswing of hospitalizations, so new cases now will turn into hospitalizations in a week and deaths in 2 to 3 weeks. The deaths will come. Everyone needs to quit waiting for it to get worse and put on your damn mask.
I posted more than a month ago that if you don't wear a mask in public settings you were either an idiot or an asshole. I don't know how to state it more plainly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jdubya:
Nope. That dog doesnt hunt. The outside of the house is completed but it wasnt to spec as written paper. I think you missed my point. Both can be right and both can be wrong.
Can they both be right? Sure. It's just that they're clearly not in this case. There's a whole "neighborhood" of countries in the world that have gotten this thing well under control. The architect is literally just saying, "hey, maybe we should do the stuff that has worked everywhere else." Forgive me for concluding that we have a shit ton of incompetent contractors when our house continues to fall apart. [Reply]
I think if you want to be an optimist it sure seems like this latest wave of cases is generally trending younger so maybe the death rate won't go completely out of control, but that still means a lot of people are going to have serious complications. The most underreported part of this thing is all the people who survived and are having lingering health effects, even young people.
We really don't have any idea what the long term damage of this thing is. [Reply]
That quote is from "Poetics" where Aristotle is discussing the merits of fiction and his admiration of Homer's capacity to essentially lie; the example that Aristotle gives is Homer's use of Odysseus arriving in Ithica while asleep....
To be blunt, Aristotle is saying that there is entertainment value in someone being full of shit.
Which is why, I suppose, people continue to engage you in this thread. [Reply]
