Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's incredibly frustrating that the perception that's it doesn't is still so prevalent. Do a tiny bit of research, people! And your Facebook friends don't count.
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
If you're vaccinated, and I'm vaccinated, and one of us gets covid and spreads it to the other, neither of us is likely to end up dead.
I'm getting pretty frustrated with trying to protect people who won't do the bare minimum to protect themselves and/or their families, friends, and neighbors.
While we are yelling at clouds. I am getting pretty frustrated with all the people who eat fast food and don't exercise. We could save millions of lives if people would just eat healthy and exercise 30 minutes a day.
Those selfish people are destroying the health care system and costing me money. I take care of myself but most of the populations just doesn't seem to care. 30 minutes of getting off the couch a day. How hard is it?
So frustrating trying to motivate people that won't do the bare minimum to take care of themselves.
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
While we are yelling at clouds. I am getting pretty frustrated with all the people who eat fast food and don't exercise. We could save millions of lives if people would just eat healthy and exercise 30 minutes a day.
Those selfish people are destroying the health care system and costing me money. I take care of myself but most of the populations just doesn't seem to care. 30 minutes of getting off the couch a day. How hard is it?
So frustrating trying to motivate people that won't do the bare minimum to take care of themselves.
If you eat like shit and don't exercise, your neighbor doesn't die of heart disease. This, like everything else in this ridiculous argument is at best a false equivalency. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
If you eat like shit and don't exercise, your neighbor doesn't die of heart disease. This, like everything else in this ridiculous argument is at best a false equivalency.
Read my previous post about transmission. You argument is bullshit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Read my previous post about transmission. You argument is bullshit.
If the vaccines provide 0% efficacy against developing COVID-19, I would say that your argument is valid. But I'm pretty sure that they provide much greater efficacy than 0% and I'd imagine that you do as well. Therefore, since Delta has an R0 of about 9 (same as chicken pox), that's an awfully high number of people who didn't get infected by a vaccinated person (and persons) who didn't develop COVID-19 and pass it on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
If the vaccines provide 0% efficacy against developing COVID-19, I would say that your argument is valid. But I'm pretty sure that they provide much greater efficacy than 0% and I'd imagine that you do as well. Therefore, since Delta has an R0 of about 9 (same as chicken pox), that's an awfully high number of people who didn't get infected by a vaccinated person (and persons) who didn't develop COVID-19 and pass it on.
No matter what your stance is on transmission between vaccinated. You are not going to vaccinate the entire world. There will be varients that will evade the vaccine. We are already seeing that. Everyone will be exposed to the virus eventually. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
No matter what your stance is on transmission between vaccinated. You are not going to vaccinate the entire world. There will be varients that will evade the vaccine. We are already seeing that. Everyone will be exposed to the virus eventually.
If you'd like to continue this discussion elsewhere, I'd be happy to. [Reply]
CDC Took Mistaken Data on Delta Variant Transmissibility From a New York Times Infographic
Another CDC data flub distorts delta variant contagiousness. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) claimed the delta variant of COVID-19 is "as transmissible as" chickenpox. It's not true.
Chickenpox, caused by the varicella-zoster virus, is one of the most contagious diseases we know of. "If one person has it, up to 90% of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected," states the CDC website.
One person infected with chickenpox will infect an average of 10 people when everyone in a population is vulnerable to catching it. (This transmissibility number—referred to as R0—goes down when people have immunity to the disease.)
"The initial COVID-19 strain had an R0 between two and three," computational biologist Karthik Gangavarapu told NPR. The delta variant has an R0 between six and seven. For chickenpox, the R0 is nine or 10.
How did the CDC conclude that these were equivalent?
For one, the leaked document underestimated the R0 for chickenpox and overestimated the R0 for the delta variant. "The R0 values for delta were preliminary and calculated from data taken from a rather small sample size," a federal official told NPR. The value for the chickenpox (and other R0s in the slideshow) came from a graphic from The New York Times, which wasn't completely accurate.
Apparently, the federal agency charged with disseminating COVID-19 data and setting public health policy is taking its cues from a newspaper infographic. Oh my.
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Read my previous post about transmission. You argument is bullshit.
the fact that 90% of our province is vaccinated and 80% of the hospitalized and icu patients are unvaccinated , transmission seems to be more of an issue for one of the groups whether or not transmission is equal or not . [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
the fact that 90% of our province is vaccinated and 80% of the hospitalized and icu patients are unvaccinated , transmission seems to be more of an issue for one of the groups whether or not transmission is equal or not .
This is an excellent post. It has style, substance, and accuracy, and it make the point clearly. It has earned my coveted seal of approval.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
the fact that 90% of our province is vaccinated and 80% of the hospitalized and icu patients are unvaccinated , transmission seems to be more of an issue for one of the groups whether or not transmission is equal or not .
