Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco:
I just don't get this John Vought character. Its crazy.
John Voight? The dentist who sold his car to Costanza?
I binged on the first four episodes during a plane flight yesterday. Great show, though the most recent episode was the weakest IMO. Whenever they drift into the family life it's still good, but not nearly as strong IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
John Voight? The dentist who sold his car to Costanza?
I binged on the first four episodes during a plane flight yesterday. Great show, though the most recent episode was the weakest IMO. Whenever they drift into the family life it's still good, but not nearly as strong IMO.
The final scene in episode four was brilliant and showed the complexity of Mickey's character. Jon Voight has been amazing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The final scene in episode four was brilliant and showed the complexity of Mickey's character. Jon Voight has been amazing.
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
I meant to say this earlier, but talk on the web about episode to, between Papa Donovan's 'it's OK to let someone suck your cock, but dont take it in the ass,' the movie star I-chatting the Ray's underage son, and the blackmailing tranny, that this is a homophobic show.
What say you guys?
It is not a homophobic show, and it is not racist. The show simply has characters that are homophobic and racist. These are real world characters, and not PC bullshit that other shows feel the need to have.
I love the show, and think that is has a world of possibilities. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
This is a DARK fucking show.
Two brothers sexually molested by a priest, another with epilepsy and another who's mixed race that finally meets his oldest sibling? Not to mention the father, who just got out of prison after 20 years, only to off said priest? Add to that, Ray is on the verge of being completely out of control as well?
Awesome.
The creator and screenwriter also created Southland and wrote for NYPD Blue in its best season (1993). She also must have an issue with the Catholic Church and priests in particular because she also wrote Primal Fear.
Season Two has already been greenlit.
Yep, it rolls around in the anti-PC and shows the raw reality that we know is occurring daily. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
It is not a homophobic show, and it is not racist. The show simply has characters that are homophobic and racist. These are real world characters, and not PC bullshit that other shows feel the need to have.
I love the show, and think that is has a world of possibilities.
FTR, I wasn't proposing this as fact, or even my opinion, but it seemed to be getting a lot of play on other sites and I thought it might be a topic of productive conversation here. Those aspects rolled right off my back when I watched the episode, but I've always gravitated to the taboo/seedy in entertainment. Tony Soprano, Vic Mackey, In the Company of Men, Deadwood, etc.
Like you, I think, I don't view these as good or bad people necessarily, just people who ARE in the world the creators have made. Ambiguity [moral, ethical or otherwise] with a sense of purpose is catnip to me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Yep, it rolls around in the anti-PC and shows the raw reality that we know is occurring daily.
The show-runner has always been phenomenal. The best season of NYPD Blue, IMO, was when she was there its debut season. Primal Fear is one of my all-time favorites movies and Southland is as gritty as non-premium TV allows. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The creator and screenwriter also created Southland and wrote for NYPD Blue in its best season (1993).
Loved, loved, LOVED the first season of NYPD Blue [I should add an addendum to my post above of shows I 'knew' would be great early on, right around 'ipsy [sp] this you pissy little bitch.']. Ironic that the role of Det. John Kelly, Caruso's meatiest role and one in which he excelled, he walked away from so quickly. Though, I'm sure he's not losing any sleep after the $M's he got from CSI Miami, but he could have placed himself in the pantheon of all time great characters, instead of the butt of memes about people donning sunglasses and saying something absurd.
That episode where he was interrogating the baker who who killed a cab driver, fully cognizant of the facts in the case, but aware that it would be difficult to prove, . . . where he holds the guy's hand throughout every stage, then comes back time after time to bemoan how things aren't 'adding up' until the guy has spilled everything is as good a performance in a single episode of TV as I can recall. It's like Milch, Mamet and early David Wolf were tasked with penning the ultimate episode of police procedural fiction.
Though I must admit that Schwimmer as 4B [and Greendale alum Guzman as Nic's brother] was some weak sauce. [Reply]
Did they use the old "Now that we found love" and then played heavy d's version? I may have heard now that we found love sample in either this show or mad men cause it is the only two I watch. [Reply]
