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Originally Posted by BigRichard:
No mention of Cersei's brother killing her either???
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
By what means? He'll need a regime change in order to even step foot back in Westeros and Daenerys is basically the only potential candidate (save Jon Snow) that wouldn't kill him on sight.
It's possible that he'll kill her but not likely, I'd say.
Chekhov's Gun - you don't spend time discussing a facially irrelevant object unless it's actually somehow relevant.
Martin points out a few times that Cersei was actually born just ahead of Jaime. Of the two twins, Jaime is technically the 'younger' sibling.
Valonquar just means younger brother in valyrian. Cersei always figured it was Tyrion but c'mon...it's Jaime. They don't bother mentioning that she was born first if it's not relevant.
Martin's pretty good at throwing you off the scent, but that would be a little too meta for me to believe he was intentionally throwing in an irrelevant detail just to make you think it was a relevant detail.
EDIT: Crap....I see Hawk has beaten me to most of this. [Reply]
I think the Hound Sandor Clegane is still alive and living with the monks on the Quiet Isle as shown in the Brienne chapter from AFFC when she visits there.
Gregor Clegane (the Mountain) is of course still alive, to some extent anyway, thanks to Qyburn and is now part of the kingsguard as shown at the end when he carries Cersei into the Red Keep after her naked walk.
Cersei's trial by battle is coming soon in the next book, and my theory is that Zombie Gregor will fight for Cersei, and the church will have Sandor (the little brother to Gregor) fight for the church. Sandor wins and thus "kills" Cersei who will then be put to death. There are no Lannisters left to protect her except Tommen, and I'm not sure he's capable.
Of course, this is all just a theory. We will see!
Spoiler!
I agree that the Hound is alive and that he is going to be their champion. Here's my problem - there are two more books. How quickly can Martin actually kill off Cersei? She's the straw that stirs the drink these days. Unless Martin's ready to essentially veer out of Kings Landing altogether and make the next book about the gathering of forces in Mereen and the Battle for the North with the final book dedicated to sorting out the aftermath of that and its impact on the 7 Kingdoms.
I guess that's not impossible, it just seems like we're a book early for Cersei's fate to be doled out just yet.
Originally Posted by Hawk:
ThaVirus, don't forget that this is the spoiler thread where book readers can talk about everything in the books even though the show hasn't gotten there yet. You will likely get spoiled on some major events coming this season if you hang around in this thread.
Thanks, but I've been contemplating not even finishing the book series. It seems like people don't have anything good to say about it beyond Storm of Swords and the fact that it may never be resolved is also a bit of a turn off. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Thanks, but I've been contemplating not even finishing the book series. It seems like people don't have anything good to say about it beyond Storm of Swords and the fact that it may never be resolved is also a bit of a turn off.
I'm probably going to hold off just because of how much the show is deviating from the books. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Thanks, but I've been contemplating not even finishing the book series. It seems like people don't have anything good to say about it beyond Storm of Swords and the fact that it may never be resolved is also a bit of a turn off.
I liked the 4th and 5th books quite a lot, actually. A Storm of Swords has a lot of action and a lot of resolutions to various plots and schemes. AFFC and ADWD are more about the setups of schemes we haven't yet seen come to fruition.
Reading those two books after ASOS is kind of like watching The Dark Knight and then following it up by watching only the first half of Interstellar. [Reply]
I still think Feast is my favorite book in the series. It's not as HOLY SHIT as Storm. But there's so much humanity and strategy and mood in that book. It was a joy to read. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRichard:
I read the last two book again. This time I read them at the same time swapping back and forth going by the order here...
Made it much more enjoyable the second time. I suggest you try it if you do continue on in the books.
All my books are audio. They are chapter divided. Is a simple chapter reordering sufficient, or do you have to delve deeper subdividing chapters? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
All my books are audio. They are chapter divided. Is a simple chapter reordering sufficient, or do you have to delve deeper subdividing chapters?
For the most part you do something like read chapters 1,2 of book 4 and then chapters 1,2,3 of book 5. Then jump back to 4 and read chapters 3,4,5 and so on and so forth. The only thing that doesn't follow that pattern, if I recall, they have you read a couple of chapters out of order dealing with the son from Dorne going to see Daeny in Mereen which I didn't even do. I just kept reading them in order. That part I don't think made that big of a difference. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hawk:
ThaVirus, don't forget that this is the spoiler thread where book readers can talk about everything in the books even though the show hasn't gotten there yet. You will likely get spoiled on some major events coming this season if you hang around in this thread.
The prophecy given to Cersei by maggie the frog in the books said Cersei would be killed by the valonquar which means "little brother", so naturally Cersei assumes it will be Tyrion which has fueled her irrational hatred of him. However, there are many theories on who the valonquar really will be. Could be Jaime since he was born after Cersei even though they were twins. I have my own theory which is: (spoiler tagged because it goes into a lot of stuff not covered on the show yet)
Spoiler!
I think the Hound Sandor Clegane is still alive and living with the monks on the Quiet Isle as shown in the Brienne chapter from AFFC when she visits there.
Gregor Clegane (the Mountain) is of course still alive, to some extent anyway, thanks to Qyburn and is now part of the kingsguard as shown at the end when he carries Cersei into the Red Keep after her naked walk.
Cersei's trial by battle is coming soon in the next book, and my theory is that Zombie Gregor will fight for Cersei, and the church will have Sandor (the little brother to Gregor) fight for the church. Sandor wins and thus "kills" Cersei who will then be put to death. There are no Lannisters left to protect her except Tommen, and I'm not sure he's capable.
Of course, this is all just a theory. We will see!
At this point you don't trust them to give you a good story? It may not be the SAME story as Martin's, and it may not be the story YOU want, but I trust them to handle the story reasonably well.
Forget what is in the books and just let the TV show do what it wants, and judge it based on whether it ALONE is a good story, and not how it compares with the books.
Fuck all that. Writing out Mance was a shitty thing to do. [Reply]
