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DaFace 11:23 AM 06-27-2016
A place to talk about investing stuff.
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lewdog 09:55 AM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
If your view is a relatively sideways market for a while, what do you think of a strategy of selling ITM covered calls on stocks with dividend dates coming up and just rolling those over until the market picks up?
I like that strategy.

:-)

Also look up the wheel strategy for sideways markets.
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-King- 10:04 AM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Along the same thought lines here. I’d say 60x your annual gross income because remember at a young age you’ll be living off “income” that’s all taxed as you can’t tap things like a ROTH yet.

On the same note for people retiring early, do what you can to make earned income in the year to max your ROTH. Just $6k or $7k if over 50. This will allow you to draw on something not taxable once you hit the right age. Is a great way to drop tax brackets when you’re older.
He said 65-70x annual expenses. You said 60x annual income. Those are two extremely different numbers...
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BWillie 10:22 AM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Along the same thought lines here. I’d say 60x your annual gross income because remember at a young age you’ll be living off “income” that’s all taxed as you can’t tap things like a ROTH yet.

On the same note for people retiring early, do what you can to make earned income in the year to max your ROTH. Just $6k or $7k if over 50. This will allow you to draw on something not taxable once you hit the right age. Is a great way to drop tax brackets when you’re older.
Can you do that if you aren't traditionally employed? (The ROTH thing)
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lewdog 10:23 AM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by -King-:
He said 65-70x annual expenses. You said 60x annual income. Those are two extremely different numbers...
Oh you’re right.

I’d adjust mine to 50x annual income.

Someone making gross $100k/year would likely need 5M (50x income) to retire in their early 40’s and have their money last 40-50 years. You’d still need to be generating money from investments and not trying to live large.
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lewdog 10:25 AM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Can you do that if you aren't traditionally employed? (The ROTH thing)
Yes. Any earned income for the year and as long as you don’t make more than $140k/year.
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scho63 12:51 PM 05-21-2021
This market has been in a complete slow moving rotation since Jan/Feb.

Out of growth, high tech and speculative and into stuff like Caterpillar, Phillip Morris, Kraft, Exxon Mobil, Boeing, etc.

The old school boring shit has had a great last 6 months.
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Rain Man 02:59 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Yes. Any taxable income for the year and as long as you don’t make more than $140k/year.
Eh, I think it has to be earned income.
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lewdog 03:11 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Eh, I think it has to be earned income.
God dammit you’re right. I’ll update my post. That’s what I get posting at work.
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MTG#10 03:57 PM 05-21-2021
Refinanced my mortgage today through UWM. Not sure why I waited so long but figured I'd help the cause since I own so many shares. Knocked 8 years off my loan and my monthly payment dropped $50. 2.875%, not as good as some I've seen but better than what I was paying.
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Hog's Gone Fishin 03:59 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by MTG#10:
Refinanced my mortgage today through UWM. Not sure why I waited so long but figured I'd help the cause since I own so many shares. Knocked 8 years off my loan and my monthly payment dropped $50. 2.875%, not as good as some I've seen but better than what I was paying.
That's awesome. Congrats! :-)
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ChiliConCarnage 04:46 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
Not that I'm disagreeing, but where are you reading that there is a lot of liquidity tied up in checking and savings accounts? My wife doesn't seem to have trouble finding places to dump my cash. :-)

If the velocity of money were to improve that would definitely help.
https://www.businessinsider.com/stim...reserve-2021-4

Look at the Fed personal savings chart. Pretty crazy.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PSAVERT
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lewdog 04:51 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by MTG#10:
Refinanced my mortgage today through UWM. Not sure why I waited so long but figured I'd help the cause since I own so many shares. Knocked 8 years off my loan and my monthly payment dropped $50. 2.875%, not as good as some I've seen but better than what I was paying.
Nice man!

I used them earlier this year to refinance and it was super smooth and quick.
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Buehler445 07:37 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Eh, I think it has to be earned income.
It does. But surely he has some earned income, right?

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
https://www.businessinsider.com/stim...reserve-2021-4

Look at the Fed personal savings chart. Pretty crazy.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PSAVERT
That’s wild. Great stuff. This is literally the first I’ve heard anyone talking about it. Thanks.

The unfortunate thing is that without a government shut down and fear mongering most of that money would have went to business. Probably local business because big business didn’t shut down.
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neech 07:47 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by MTG#10:
Refinanced my mortgage today through UWM. Not sure why I waited so long but figured I'd help the cause since I own so many shares. Knocked 8 years off my loan and my monthly payment dropped $50. 2.875%, not as good as some I've seen but better than what I was paying.
If you had told them you were a major shareholder in their company they would’ve lit you a cigar, poured you a glass of the finest brandy and treated you like a big shot. You missed your chance.

I’ve told people about refinancing and to take advantage of it some people just will not do it. I never understood that.
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MTG#10 07:50 PM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by neech:
If you had told them you were a major shareholder in their company they would’ve lit you a cigar, poured you a glass of the finest brandy and treated you like a big shot. You missed your chance.

I’ve told people about refinancing and to take advantage of it some people just will not do it. I never understood that.
I actually did tell the girl, she just said "Oh that's wonderful thank you so much!" and went back to business.

Guess a measley 1000 shares wouldn't be considered "major" though.

:-)
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