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Nzoner's Game Room>***Official 2021 Royals Season Repository Thread***
ChiefsCountry 12:01 PM 01-07-2021
For all things Royals for the new year.

Free Agent Signings:
Carlos Santana
Mike Minor
Michael Taylor
Ervin Santana

Top 10 Prospects:
1 Bobby Witt Jr., SS
2 Asa Lacy, LHP
3 Daniel Lynch, LHP
4 Jackson Kowar, RHP
5 Erick Pena, OF
6 Nick Loftin, SS
7 Kyle Isbel, OF
8 Khali Lee, OF
9 Jonathan Bowlan, RHP
10 Carlos Hernedez, RHP
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duncan_idaho 12:45 PM 07-14-2021
Royals Top Prospects | Midseason 2021

You guys know the draft soured my excitement for writing this up. It would have been bad enough just passing on Kumar Rocker, but passing up both Brady House AND Khalil Watson, too, really left me down on the Royals chances.

Here are my collected thoughts on the draft now that it’s over.

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Top Royals Prospects | Midseason 2021
1. Bobby Witt, Jr. SS, AA Witt has done everything you could hope for at AA. The production is there, the intangibles are there, the love is there. This is a top 10-15 prospect in baseball, period, and you could make a fairly strong case he’s a top 5 guy. It’s a matter of if, not when, and from there a matter of how long KC can keep him.
2. Daniel Lynch, LHP, AAA Lynch’s debut was a disaster and a great example of how much even the best young pitching can struggle at first blush. He’s still a 6-6 lefty who throws hard, has a great breaking and usable changeup and secondary breaking ball, and generally throws enough strikes. Upside is still there. He has to regain his confidence and fix the tipping issue to slide back to his #2 starter upside.
3. Asa Lacy, LHP, A+ Lacy’s control has been in and out this season. Assuming he gets that back under control, the way he misses bats and limits hard contact gives him a lofty ceiling. If he can string together several good starts in a row and earn a promotion to AA this year, it puts him back on track and probably jumps him to #2 on this list for me.
4. Jackson Kowar, RHP, AAA Kowar’s curveball has reportedly taken a step forward in consistence and effectiveness this season, which increases the chances he becomes a good major league starter. The tools are still there. I suspect he’ll end up being a really effective late inning guy, though, and that’s OK.
5. M.J. Melendez, C, AA This might surprise some folks, but Melendez is having a similar offensive season as Nick Pratto, but offers a lot more defensive value and also is striking out at a lower rate (more on that down the list). A plus-defending catcher who hits for good power and draws lots of walks is a nice package, especially when thinking about a long-term pairing with Salvador Perez.
6. Erick Pena, OF, ROOKIE Pena is off to a solid start in a small sample of rookie ball. This ranking remains based on his upside and reports out of camp.
7. Nick Pratto, 1B, AA Pratto has been a rags to riches prospect this story, hitting for power and continuing to draw lots of walks while also hitting for a nice average and playing elite D at 1B. The K rate is still higher than you’d like to see and what happens with it as he ascends to AAA and then the majors will be critical for his ultimate outcome.
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And I’m stopping there, gang. Overall, I think it’s around a top 10-ish system. The strength is definitely the starting pitching upside and depth, though Witt-Pratto-Melendez-Isbel-Pena is not a bad quintet of position players.

For those who might wonder what it would look like had KC drafted guys they could have and didn't at #7...

Kumar Rocker would have been my #2 prospect in the list. Watson would have been #4. Brady House #8.
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dlphg9 01:19 PM 07-15-2021
Still makes me sick that we passed on so many highly talented players for a high school pitcher that they will ruin.

Also when the hell are we gonna see some guys get advanced? Witt, Pratto, Melendez need to be in AAA.
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Prison Bitch 01:29 PM 07-15-2021
Biggest gaps between actual performance and ZIPS preseason proj


Hitting (exceeds)
No Royals


Hitting (falls below)
1. Soler Power. 66 wRC+ vs 124. (-58)
4. The Big Dozier 58 wRC+ vs 110. (-52)


Pitching (exceeds)
4. Duff-man. 57 era+ vs 109 (+52)


Pitching (falls below)
14. Brad Keller. 135 era+ vs 99 (-36)


https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-zips...e-the-players/
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Titty Meat 01:44 PM 07-15-2021
Duncan were you on 610 last night? I heard the exact same Melendez/Pratto comparison nearly word for word
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ChiefsCountry 02:35 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Also when the hell are we gonna see some guys get advanced? Witt, Pratto, Melendez need to be in AAA.
No they don't. Leave them in AA for the rest of the season. This is the first time they have had success.
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duncan_idaho 02:35 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Duncan were you on 610 last night? I heard the exact same Melendez/Pratto comparison nearly word for word
My dulcile tones haven't graced sports radio airwaves since like 2007. So, not me.

Was it Lesky? He and I seem to have similar opinions on guys a lot of times.
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duncan_idaho 02:44 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Still makes me sick that we passed on so many highly talented players for a high school pitcher that they will ruin.

Also when the hell are we gonna see some guys get advanced? Witt, Pratto, Melendez need to be in AAA.
Yeah, I'm probably not going to accept the approach the Royals took until I see it succeeding.

While I DO agree with the idea that guys either have a feel for spin or do not (something the Royals' pitching development folks certainly didn't believe back in the days when Bill Fischer was running that side of the house and they stubbornly tried to turn every HS pitcher into a fastball/curveball/changeup guy), and I'm glad to see them adopting drafting strategies that focus on guys that already show a feel for breaking off a curve or slider, I don't agree with spending so much of their best capital on HS arms.

I also don't buy the idea that you have to draft HS players to draft an ace.

Of the top 20 healthy pitchers in baseball entering 2021...

10 were college pitchers
4 are international signees
6 were high school pitchers

As for promoting those guys, I don't see a reason to rush them. I think if Witt hits in July like he did in July, he'll force a promotion to AAA. I can see being more conservative with both Melendez and Pratto considering their age and how badly they struggled in their last full season of MILB.

All subject to change, of course. But I'm in no hurry to get thsoe guys to the bigs. Ideally, the entire coaching staff would be turned over before any of those guys make their debuts.
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Prison Bitch 03:00 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Still makes me sick that we passed on so many highly talented players for a high school pitcher that they will ruin.

Also when the hell are we gonna see some guys get advanced? Witt, Pratto, Melendez need to be in AAA.

Witt just turned 21. Adley Rutchman is 23.5 and still in AA also. Torkelson is 22 and in AA. Kebryan Hayes (#6 prospect ahead of Witt) spent all age 21 at AA and age 22 at AAA. He got his cup of coffee last year at 23.
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OKchiefs 03:34 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Witt just turned 21. Adley Rutchman is 23.5 and still in AA also. Torkelson is 22 and in AA. Kebryan Hayes (#6 prospect ahead of Witt) spent all age 21 at AA and age 22 at AAA. He got his cup of coffee last year at 23.
Shouldn’t have anything to do with age. I don’t know if BWJ, Melendez, and Pratto necessarily all have to be promoted, but I do think each has shown quite a bit to deserve consideration. I’ll be surprised if we don’t see Witt promoted by the end of the month.
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CasselGotPeedOn 04:01 PM 07-15-2021
Witt Jr and Pratto both hit their 15th HR last night. Melendez got his 17th the night before. All three are OPS'ing at least .930.
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dlphg9 07-15-2021, 04:08 PM
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dlphg9 04:11 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Yeah, I'm probably not going to accept the approach the Royals took until I see it succeeding.

While I DO agree with the idea that guys either have a feel for spin or do not (something the Royals' pitching development folks certainly didn't believe back in the days when Bill Fischer was running that side of the house and they stubbornly tried to turn every HS pitcher into a fastball/curveball/changeup guy), and I'm glad to see them adopting drafting strategies that focus on guys that already show a feel for breaking off a curve or slider, I don't agree with spending so much of their best capital on HS arms.

I also don't buy the idea that you have to draft HS players to draft an ace.

Of the top 20 healthy pitchers in baseball entering 2021...

10 were college pitchers
4 are international signees
6 were high school pitchers

As for promoting those guys, I don't see a reason to rush them. I think if Witt hits in July like he did in July, he'll force a promotion to AAA. I can see being more conservative with both Melendez and Pratto considering their age and how badly they struggled in their last full season of MILB.

All subject to change, of course. But I'm in no hurry to get thsoe guys to the bigs. Ideally, the entire coaching staff would be turned over before any of those guys make their debuts.
This is a very good reason to be conservative with promoting them. I don't want Matheny anywhere near any more top prospects. Dudes a fucking idiot.
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duncan_idaho 05:51 PM 07-15-2021
Topical:

Bobby Witt is playing 3B tonight for Northwest Arkansas. There is currently a clear open spot for Witt at 3B in Omaha currently.
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dlphg9 09:16 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Topical:

Bobby Witt is playing 3B tonight for Northwest Arkansas. There is currently a clear open spot for Witt at 3B in Omaha currently.
You think the team is gonna keep him at SS in the majors?
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duncan_idaho 09:36 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
You think the team is gonna keep him at SS in the majors?
Oh, I think they view him as their long-term SS. But the more reps he gets at other spots, the easier it is to move him up a level.
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dlphg9 09:40 PM 07-15-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Oh, I think they view him as their long-term SS. But the more reps he gets at other spots, the easier it is to move him up a level.
That's what I figured. Would hate to waste his ability at 3rd base.
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