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Nzoner's Game Room>Chiefs 53 Man Roster Prediction
KChiefs1 10:49 AM 06-22-2019
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Before Andy Reid began his vacation in California this week, Kansas City Chiefs head coach made an amusing yet literal request to his players: Please don’t report to training camp next month on crutches.

The Chiefs finished their offseason program last week without any significant injuries. Reid has enjoyed tinkering with his offensive playbook and watching his new defense, led by new coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. The biggest hope for Reid is that none of his players need crutches or have to removed from the practice field on a cart during camp, which begins July 24 at Missouri Western State University in St. Joseph, Mo.

The projected roster below assumes player is healthy and in top shape. An NFL season, however, is loaded with variables and the unexpected. In order to reach the Super Bowl, the Chiefs will need contributions from veteran backups and production from young, unproven players. The Chiefs were the biggest surprise of last year, as quarterback Patrick Mahomes, the NFL’s reigning MVP, led the team to the AFC Championship game. Reid wants his reconstructed defense to be another surprise this season.

After 12 practices, six of which were open to reporters, the Chiefs do appear to be a more balanced team. Reid and general manager Brett Veach will have difficult decisions to make at various positions, including wide receiver, linebacker and along the defensive line.

The three minicamp practices last week gave reporters the best indication of what the Chiefs’ depth chart looks like. From notes, observations and Reid’s preference in past seasons, here’s our early projection of the Chiefs’ 53-man roster.

Quarterbacks: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne

Analysis: The quarterbacks’ room shouldn’t change from last year. Mahomes has been supported by Henne, who also understands the offense better in his second season with the Chiefs. Offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy, quarterbacks assistant Mike Kafka and Reid will continue to brainstorm on how Mahomes can stay ahead of opposing defenses. Henne, an 11-year veteran, is a suitable backup who can smoothly operate the Chiefs’ offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Chase Litton is entering his second season with the Chiefs after performing well last year in the preseason. If Litton continues to develop in camp, he’ll likely stay with the Chiefs and win the third-string battle over undrafted free agent Kyle Shurmur.

Running backs: Damien Williams, Carlos Hyde, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson

Analysis: This is an interesting group. All four players are capable of being additional receivers in Reid’s offense and Damien Williams appears to be ready for his role as the Chiefs’ primary ball carrier.

Hyde should be most effective in short-yardage situations and on swing passes out of the backfield. Last season, Darrel Williams performed well in his six games, showing toughness in space. The most unpredictable player at the position is Thompson, who could be used in screen passes, on special teams or as a gadget player for Reid. Thompson has enough speed that he should see the ball in space at least a few times this season. The Chiefs don’t need their running backs to be spectacular. The goal for this group should be consistency in keeping opposing defenses balanced.

Fullback: Anthony Sherman

Analysis: As one of the best fullbacks in the league, Sherman will continue to do a little bit of everything. Sherman will block for Mahomes and Williams, catch critical passes and be a plus on special teams. Another Pro Bowl appearance seems reasonable.

Tight ends: Travis Kelce, Deon Yelder, John Lovett

Analysis: Kelce, who missed the offseason practices to rest his surgically repaired ankle, should be fully healthy in time for camp. He is Mahomes’ favorite target, and that shouldn’t change this season, particularly on third down. The real intrigue in camp is who will play with Kelce as Reid’s second and third tight ends. The reason for two backups here is simple: Reid wants to run plays with two tight ends, and both Yelder and Lovett have the most potential. Yelder, the more traditional tight end who excels at blocking, spent most of last season on the Chiefs’ practice squad. The preseason is going to be critical for him. As for Lovett, he’s one of the best athletes on the roster. He made impressive catches during the open offseason practices and spent plenty of snaps with the projected starters with Kelce and Yelder out with injuries.

Practice-squad consideration: Nick Keizer is another young, solid option in case of an injury. Keizer spent last season on the Baltimore Ravens’ practice squad.

Receivers: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, Byron Pringle, Gehrig Dieter

Analysis: After the NFL Draft, Hill was not on our projected depth chart ahead of the team’s organized practices. Although he’s indefinitely suspended by the Chiefs, Hill could rejoin the team in camp since he’s no longer under criminal investigation from the Johnson County (Kan.) District Attorney’s office. The Chiefs believe Hill could receive a suspension from the NFL as soon as next month for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy.

Beyond Hill’s potential return, the rest of the position is a steady group. Watkins was a star during the offseason program, and Robinson has received greater responsibility within the offense. Pringle and Dieter are players who can contribute on offense and special teams. Hardman, the speedy rookie, should have an increased role as the season progresses and he better understands the offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Cody Thompson, an undrafted rookie from Toledo, was the second-most consistent receiver in the offseason practices behind Watkins. Thompson caught almost every ball thrown to him during the open practices and his route running, especially in the slot, was impressive. If Hill is suspended, Thompson could start the season on the Chiefs’ 53-man roster if he performs well in the preseason.

Offensive linemen: Mitchell Schwartz, Eric Fisher, Austin Reiter, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Andrew Wylie, Cam Erving, Kahlil McKenzie, Jimmy Murray, Nick Allegretti

Analysis: The Chiefs’ starting lineup appears set with a healthy Duverney-Tardif and an emerging Wylie as the projected guards next to Reiter as the center. Schwartz and Fisher are quality tackles. But one reason the Chiefs have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL is because of their depth and versatility. Erving, who spent much of last season as the starting left guard, appears ready for a new role as the swingman tackle. McKenzie learned the guard position last year as a rookie and should get plenty of snaps in the preseason. Murray and Allegretti are athletic enough to play both the center and guard positions.

Practice-squad consideration: Tackle Ryan Hunter should be given another year to learn from Schwartz, Fisher and assistant coach Andy Heck.

Defensive linemen: Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Alex Okafor, Emmanuel Ogbah, Derrick Nnadi, Breeland Speaks, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Khalen Saunders, Xavier Williams

Analysis: Spagnuolo is going to place a lot of his faith in these players. The trio of pass rushers in Clark, Jones and Okafor is a quality group that should put consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Jones, who is seeking a sizable contract extension, is expected to return to the team early in camp after missing all of the offseason practices. The two wild cards are former second-round picks Speaks and Kpassagnon. Spagnuolo wants the two players to play both on the edge and in the interior based on the matchups against the opposing offensive line. Speaks and Kpassagnon haven’t done that since their college careers. Nnadi, Saunders and Williams are all capable defensive tackles who can rotate and be stout in Spagnuolo’s 4-3 defense.

Practice-squad consideration: The Chiefs are very high on Tim Ward, an undrafted rookie defensive end who missed all of the offseason practices because of a knee injury.

Linebackers: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Dorian O’Daniel, Ben Niemann

Analysis: The position appears to still be fluid for Spagnuolo, as Hitchens is the lone unquestioned starter. Ragland, Wilson and Lee could all be starters at some point this season with O’Daniel as a situational option. One of the most fascinating parts of camp will be how often the Chiefs run snaps with three linebackers. The change in scheme appears to benefit Ragland the most, who could play in the middle or as the strong-side ‘backer. The winner of these position battles will likely be the players who can sprint sideline to sideline and be effective in pass coverage. Niemann is the perfect role player who is disciplined and strong on special teams. O’Daniel is also a plus option on special teams.

Practice-squad considerations: Darius Harris, an undrafted rookie, has potential. Raymond Davison should get another year to develop after being on the Chiefs’s practice squad last season.

Cornerbacks: Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Keith Reaser, Tremon Smith

Analysis: Something unforeseen would have to happen in camp or the preseason for this position to change. Fuller, Breeland and Ward are the Chiefs’ primary options. Reaser is a reasonable option in dime coverage if he can stay healthy, which has been his biggest issue in the NFL. Spagnuolo likely will leave Fuller in the slot position and the burden will increase for Ward, who blossomed late last season as a rookie. Smith, a second-year player, is the projected winner of the final spot on the roster since he was excellent as the team’s kickoff returner last season.

Practice-squad considerations: Rookies Rashad Fenton and Mark Fields will need to perform better than expected in the preseason, both on defense and special teams, for them to make the roster. If they prove competent, both players should spend the season learning Spagnuolo’s system.

Safeties: Tyrann Mathieu, Juan Thornhill, Daniel Sorensen, Jordan Lucas, Armani Watts

Analysis: The order of this position is set entering training camp with Mathieu and Thornhill as the starters. Sorensen, Lucas and Watts are all capable backups who can make contributions on special teams. Spagnuolo just needs this group to stay healthy.

Specialists: Harrison Butker (kicker), Dustin Colquitt (punter), James Winchester (long snapper)

Analysis: All three players rank among the best at their position in the NFL with coordinator Dave Toub as their guru.

Practice-squad considerations: Undrafted rookie punter Jack Fox has a big and consistent leg; he’ll continue to develop under Colquitt and Toub.

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DJ's left nut 10:54 AM 08-27-2019
Originally Posted by Frosty:
They need to get rid of the practice squad, expand the roster to 60-65 and get rid of the stupid, antiquated inactives rule. It would help in developing players, imo.
This, OTOH, you could justify.

A job is a job. If you allow teams to 'protect' more prospects by giving them an NFL roster spot, that's fine. I think that benefits all parties.
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O.city 10:55 AM 08-27-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Why would the NFLPA ever agree to that? That's just further limiting player movement for guys who may be able to go get a better shot elsewhere?

The system is fine as is; you have 53 friggen roster spots. If you can't find room for a decent developmental prospect but another team can - well boo hoo. Do a better job of spotting talent next time.

The Chiefs lost David Irving because they just had to keep Dezman Moses and David King. Well that's not a system problem, that's a scouting problem. The Chiefs didn't have too many players to keep David Irving - they simply didn't make the right decision in keeping him over better options.

If the Chiefs lose someone to another team and that guy flourishes there, it will be a Chiefs failure for not recognizing that they had a superior talent. If that guy goes somewhere and performs, there's no way that all 53 guys the Chiefs keep instead of him will be better than him as well. There are always dead spaces on the roster and the key is to do a better job of identifying and avoiding them.

It isn't to just give teams more roster spots or fringe roster players less opportunity by allowing teams to lock them up easier.
True. Some guys will just fit in better or find better situations for them elsewhere anyway.

I would just like to see something where guys can be developed a little more. It's tough and maybe it's just going to be that way because of the physicality and short careers in the NFL. It won't ever be like baseball where you can develop them thru the minors, just can't do it from a physical standpoint.
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O.city 10:57 AM 08-27-2019
Yeah, that's a better idea.

Just do away with the PS, give them more roster spots.

You'll have to increase the amount of guys you pay, but this thing makes so much fucking money, it won't hurt them.
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O.city 12:48 PM 08-27-2019

Judging from today's practice, Carlos Hyde will play a lot and Darwin Thompson won't play at all in Thursday night's final preseason game against the Packers. The practice was mostly devoted to preparing the backups for the Green Bay game and Hyde got... https://t.co/msfLxhGICW

— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) August 27, 2019


Go ahead and cross Hyde off the list.
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KChiefs1 01:03 PM 08-27-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:


Go ahead and cross Hyde off the list.

Hyde is gone.
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KChiefs1 01:04 PM 08-27-2019
Originally Posted by Frosty:
They need to get rid of the practice squad, expand the roster to 60-65 and get rid of the stupid, antiquated inactives rule. It would help in developing players, imo.


Hopefully the players demand this in the CBA.
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oldman 02:33 PM 08-27-2019
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
QB: Mahomes, Moore
RB: Damien Williams, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson, Tremon Smith
LB: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Ben Niemann, Dorian O'Daniel
CB: Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Kendall Fuller, Mo Claiborne, Herb Miller, Rashad Fenton
I pretty much agree with everything you had except the above. I don't think Moore is here next year any more than Henne would have been, so I think we might as well bite the bullet and keep either Litton or Shurmur on the 53 so we don't go through this merry-go-round again next year.
I see absolutely no reason to keep T. Smith. Speed and PFF grades aside, how many times did he get past the 25 last year? DAT or Pringle can get flattened just as easily.
DOD hasn't shown me much this year and if you move Ragland, he's the odd man out.
You have Claiborne listed, but he'll be out for 4 games. Do you plan on keeping both Miller and Fenton after he returns?
I am a little worried about the TE position. Carrying only 2 isn't wise in my book. Does anyone have an update about Yelder?
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Chief Roundup 06:14 PM 08-27-2019
Originally Posted by oldman:
I pretty much agree with everything you had except the above. I don't think Moore is here next year any more than Henne would have been, so I think we might as well bite the bullet and keep either Litton or Shurmur on the 53 so we don't go through this merry-go-round again next year.
I see absolutely no reason to keep T. Smith. Speed and PFF grades aside, how many times did he get past the 25 last year? DAT or Pringle can get flattened just as easily.
DOD hasn't shown me much this year and if you move Ragland, he's the odd man out.
You have Claiborne listed, but he'll be out for 4 games. Do you plan on keeping both Miller and Fenton after he returns?
I am a little worried about the TE position. Carrying only 2 isn't wise in my book. Does anyone have an update about Yelder?
If they were not going to keep Moore they would not have signed him. They would have just done nothing.
I haven't seen Pringle receive any KO or PR this preseason.
Where are they moving Ragland? DOD has so much athleticism it is hard to think they would just cut him. He has had a hard time adjusting to the zone scheme but with said athleticism you have to give him a chance.
By week 4 we have no idea what all might have transpired so we will have to see what happens then.
I heard Yelder was put on Reserved/Injured. He will have to be out for at least 6 weeks. That is his 2cd injury this preseason. We will have to see if someone gets cut on roster reduction day. They might find someone they like better.
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oldman 10:48 PM 08-27-2019
Moore is 35, so I see him as nothing more than a 1 year rental since that's all they signed him for.
You must have been sleeping on Pringle returning KOs. He has 3 for 87 yards vs. Smith's 3 for 61. https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl...y-chiefs/stats
They moved Ragland over to the SAM last game and I think he may have been there late in the 2nd. See Post 153 in this thread.
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Rausch 11:15 PM 08-27-2019
Originally Posted by oldman:
Moore is 35, so I see him as nothing more than a 1 year rental since that's all they signed him for.
You must have been sleeping on Pringle returning KOs. He has 3 for 87 yards vs. Smith's 3 for 61. https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl...y-chiefs/stats
They moved Ragland over to the SAM last game and I think he may have been there late in the 2nd. See Post 153 in this thread.
So do we no longer plan to use Hardman at all for returns? I know punt returns were his big standout area in college and thought we might have him do that instead of Hill. It looks like he won't be returning at all if preseason is any indication...
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oldman 07:45 AM 08-28-2019
I looked at those stats again and it looks like Hardman returned 2 KOs for 65 and 3 punts for 2 yards. If I remember correctly, he was having some problems on punts early in camp. Didn't DAT return punts for awhile?
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DJ's left nut 07:58 AM 08-28-2019
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
If they were not going to keep Moore they would not have signed him. They would have just done nothing.
I haven't seen Pringle receive any KO or PR this preseason.
Where are they moving Ragland? DOD has so much athleticism it is hard to think they would just cut him. He has had a hard time adjusting to the zone scheme but with said athleticism you have to give him a chance.
By week 4 we have no idea what all might have transpired so we will have to see what happens then.
I heard Yelder was put on Reserved/Injured. He will have to be out for at least 6 weeks. That is his 2cd injury this preseason. We will have to see if someone gets cut on roster reduction day. They might find someone they like better.
Yelder can't be put on the IR yet unless they have no designs on him returning.

Remember, if you want the ability to possibly bring a player back off the IR, they HAVE to make the initial 53 man. So if there are any thoughts of putting him on the IR and then bringing him back, the Chiefs still have to make enough cuts to keep him on the 53 man at the roster deadline. Then they can IR him and potentially re-sign one of the guys they cut.

It is unlikely to have a huge impact either way, but it's something you have to remember when assembling your proposed 53 man rosters. Likewise with Henne or anyone else you want to 'stash' on the IR. If you put someone on the IR before the 53 man roster deadline, they're out for the year and are not eligible to return.
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DJ's left nut 08:01 AM 08-28-2019
Originally Posted by oldman:
I looked at those stats again and it looks like Hardman returned 2 KOs for 65 and 3 punts for 2 yards. If I remember correctly, he was having some problems on punts early in camp. Didn't DAT return punts for awhile?
I think I remember Hardman returning a punt for like -12 yards and that was the last one I think he's seen.

If he's showing steady hands in practice I think he'll still be the primary punt returner but if he isn't, that could be why we're not seeing him in games as much.

And yes, DAT returned punts for a bit. I don't think he was all that effective because he just didn't seem to have the vision (would seemingly always make the wrong fair catch decision), but my memory is that he had very good ball security.
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Mecca 08:04 AM 08-28-2019
In good news because of how it was imposed the Chiefs don't have to open a roster spot for Claiborne he can just go directly to the suspended list.
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O.city 08:09 AM 08-28-2019
I kinda like having DAT return most of the punts. He's not really imperative to the offense like Hill and he was actually decent at it.
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