Reerun-Crawler, list the number of Super Bowls/championships that Lombardi and Walsh… your top two HC’s of all time… won without a HOF-caliber QB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Imagine holding the position of a coach being favored to win a football game, then mismanaging the football game and losing, but is absolved of any culpability because his qb wasn't a hall of famer.
Why does any coach without a hall of fame qb ever get fired I wonder?
It's obviously not their fault, winning is impossible without a HoF qb.
Andy lost an NFCCG in 2004 to the Carolina panthers.
Despite the table pounding that a HoF qb was required to defeat this team so Abdy could get a superbowl berth, let's have a look at the quarterbacks that handed these legendary Panthers their 5 losses that season.
1. Steve McNair.
2. David Carr.
3. Quincy Carter
4. Doug Johnson
5. *drum roll*..
Donovan Mcnabb
What's this? Andy Reid defeated these legends with Donovan McNabb in November? But but but....but hooow?
Favored to win in the NFCCG but lost 14-3 to a team he had already defeated previously.
But it's all right. Andy needed a HoF qb to win a game he was favored to win over a team he'd already defeated without one, and that numerous other teams had done it as well.
Sure.
Lmfao dude I think you might be the only person on this board that continues to bring up Andy's past failings.
You're alone. We've all moved on.
No one cares about the Philly losses. No one cares about the 4 TD lead to Indy anymore. No one cares about the Steeler 6 FG game. No one cares about the Mariotta TD to himself.
Yeah, they happened, but once you win not 1, but 3 Super Bowls, no one really cares about the past failings they got to that point. They just simply don't matter, dude. Ask anyone here, ask anyone you go to work with, ask like 99% of planet Earth, they'll all tell you you're a fucking moron.
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Do you know what the **** a paragraph is?
You don't have to type every sentence on its own line.
It's possible to string together multiple sentences into one idea or concept, and then add more of those ideas or concepts consisting of multiple sentences if you need to.
If you give each sentence its own line, you're just a rambling dickeater.
See how ****ing annoying this is?
Suck my dick.
You should look into ADD medication, you're off topic again.
You should also probably upgrade your verbal fencing repertoire from 4th grade playground level.
Yes, you'll likely lose your only friend, but there will be hope that your next 90k posts from grandma's basement will be taken seriously.
Haha. Nah. There's not really any hope of that but it would at least make them less insufferable to look at.
Enjoy your redass, the butthurt is strong in you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Imagine holding the position of a coach being favored to win a football game, then mismanaging the football game and losing, but is absolved of any culpability because his qb wasn't a hall of famer.
Why does any coach without a hall of fame qb ever get fired I wonder?
It's obviously not their fault, winning is impossible without a HoF qb.
Andy lost an NFCCG in 2004 to the Carolina panthers.
Despite the table pounding that a HoF qb was required to defeat this team so Andy could get a superbowl berth, let's have a look at the quarterbacks that handed these legendary Panthers their 5 losses that season.
1. Steve McNair.
2. David Carr.
3. Quincy Carter
4. Doug Johnson
5. *drum roll*..
Donovan Mcnabb
What's this? Andy Reid defeated these legends with Donovan McNabb in November? But but but....but hooow?
Favored to win in the NFCCG but lost 14-3 to a team he had already defeated previously.
But it's all right. Andy needed a HoF qb to win a game he was favored to win over a team he'd already defeated without one, and that numerous other teams had done so as well.
Orrrrrrr....the guy just choked like he regularly did.
You are right, McNabb choked a lot in big games. He literally threw up on the field in the SB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Lmfao dude I think you might be the only person on this board that continues to bring up Andy's past failings.
You're alone. We've all moved on.
No one cares about the Philly losses. No one cares about the 4 TD lead to Indy anymore. No one cares about the Steeler 6 FG game. No one cares about the Mariotta TD to himself.
Yeah, they happened, but once you win not 1, but 3 Super Bowls, no one really cares about the past failings they got to that point. They just simply don't matter, dude. Ask anyone here, ask anyone you go to work with, ask like 99% of planet Earth, they'll all tell you you're a ****ing moron.
Cause you are. You're alone.
Way to miss the point. You're really good at it.
My initial statement, which sandpapered the asses of the Andy Stans like yourself was along the lines of:
Shocking development: Best qb in the universe falls into notorious multi franchise playoff choker's lap and his post season fortunes drastically improve.
There's nothing false in that statement. Just reminders that Andy was a flaming hot L machine before he got football Jesus.
And for someone that doesn't care, about a point that "doesn't matter" you sure are fervently defending him in this thread. [Reply]
There's nothing false in that statement. Just reminders that Andy was a flaming hot L machine before he got football Jesus.
Inherited a 3 win Eagles team then takes them to 9 playoff appearances, 5 conference championships and a SB. Then inherited a 2 win Chiefs team and took them to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a retread Alex Smith and first playoff win in over 20 years. What a loser. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Way to miss the point. You're really good at it.
My initial statement, which sandpapered the asses of the Andy Stans like yourself was along the lines of:
Shocking development: Beat qb in the universe falls into notorious multi franchise playoff choker's lap and his post season fortunes drastically improve.
There's nothing false in that statement. Just reminders that Andy was a flaming hot L machine before he got football Jesus.
And for someone that doesn't care, about a point that "doesn't matter" you sure are fervently defending him in this thread.
Flaming hot L machine = a more successful playoff coach without a hall of fame QB compared to Lombardi and Walsh without their hall of fame QBs
It doesn't bother me. You just have yet to acknowledge the counterargument. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Shocking development: Beat qb in the universe falls into notorious multi franchise playoff choker's lap and his post season fortunes drastically improve.
Shocking development: You are a Reerunned fraud.
You don’t have a problem with the fact that Lombardi won zero postseason games without Bart Starr.
You don’t have a problem with the fact that Bill Walsh was 6-19 with zero postseason APPEARANCES without Montana/Young as his QB.
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Shocking development: You are a Reerunned fraud.
You don’t have a problem with the fact that Lombardi won zero postseason games without Bart Starr.
You don’t have a problem with the fact that Bill Walsh was 6-19 with zero postseason APPEARANCES without Montana/Young as his QB.
Yet you hold Andy to a different standard.
Explain.
What’s wild is that Andy has as many or more playoff wins WITHOUT a HOF QB than these HCs have in their career (HOF QB or not):
Dan Reeves (who had Elway)
Bill Parcells
Marc Levy (who had Kelly)
Bud Grant (who had Tarkenton)
Siefert (who had Young)
Walsh (who had Montana)
Payton (who had Brees)
Dungy (who had Manning)
Madden
Lombardi (who had Starr)
That’s just a few as I stopped listing. Point being that Andy is one of the greatest HCs of all time. He needed Mahomes to get him over the top (as is the case with almost all SB winning HCs), he did more with less than almost every HC in the history of the NFL. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
What’s wild is that Andy has as many or more playoff wins WITHOUT a HOF QB than these HCs have in their career (HOF QB or not):
Dan Reeves (who had Elway)
Bill Parcells
Marc Levy (who had Kelly)
Bud Grant (who had Tarkenton)
Siefert (who had Young)
Walsh (who had Montana)
Payton (who had Brees)
Dungy (who had Manning)
Madden
Lombardi (who had Starr)
That’s just a few as I stopped listing. Point being that Andy is one of the greatest HCs of all time. He needed Mahomes to get him over the top (as is the case with almost all SB winning HCs), he did more with less than almost every HC in the history of the NFL.
But the playoff chokes!!!
The losses where he was expected to win!!!
Anybody could win a Super Bowl with Mahomes!!!! [Reply]
WallFaller finds it more impressive to not make the postseason at all without a HOF-caliber QB, than to make the playoffs with a lesser QB and supposedly “choke” (his description).
Because his beloved Lombardi/Bill Walsh had a combined ZERO postseason appearances without a HOF-caliber QB.
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Imagine holding the position of a coach being favored to win a football game, then mismanaging the football game and losing, but is absolved of any culpability because his qb wasn't a hall of famer.
Why does any coach without a hall of fame qb ever get fired I wonder?
It's obviously not their fault, winning is impossible without a HoF qb.
Andy lost an NFCCG in 2004 to the Carolina panthers.
Despite the table pounding that a HoF qb was required to defeat this team so Andy could get a superbowl berth, let's have a look at the quarterbacks that handed these legendary Panthers their 5 losses that season.
1. Steve McNair.
2. David Carr.
3. Quincy Carter
4. Doug Johnson
5. *drum roll*..
Donovan Mcnabb
What's this? Andy Reid defeated these legends with Donovan McNabb in November? But but but....but hooow?
Favored to win in the NFCCG but lost 14-3 to a team he had already defeated previously.
But it's all right. Andy needed a HoF qb to win a game he was favored to win over a team he'd already defeated without one, and that numerous other teams had done so as well.
Orrrrrrr....the guy just choked like he regularly did.
You dug your own grave by pointing out McNabb could only mustered 3 points and choked [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsbundle of sticks88:
Bill Walsh, as a favorite, chokes vs the Giants in the 1985 playoffs, only scoring 3 points WITH Joe Montana.
WallFaller: “Nothing to see here”.
Many coaches lost games they were favored to win. (Nobody said it never happened. Again, limitless evidence of the importance of Reading skills. :-)
Nobody did that shit more than Andy.
I am amused however at instead of discussing these gaffes, and the reasons for them, the Stans have devolved into essentially covering their ears and la la la'ing, shouting through tear streaked cheeks that they don't care about those.
It's hilarious. Like, does it cause some sort of physical pain to admit Andy was a playoff pant shitter pre-Mahomes?
So weird.
Since you're doing so great at researching stats and information, KCChiefsbundle of sticks88, why don't you find me any coach besides big red that blew massive leads in the playoffs twice.
