Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I didn't know that Sweden has what they call a Summer Holiday from June 10-Aug 17th where hardly any one goes to work. The government is telling people to continue to work from home when the Summer holiday is over through autumn\winter.
Sweden is such a completely different culture that comparing America to them is stupid. I've been saying that for months. People just automatically assume every other country operates like the US. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
Sweden is such a completely different culture that comparing America to them is stupid. I've been saying that for months. People just automatically assume every other country operates like the US.
That goes both ways though. We can't say "look at what other countries did" and then say "who cares what other countries did", if you get my point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That goes both ways though. We can't say "look at what other countries did" and then say "who cares what other countries did", if you get my point.
Where did I ever say who cares what other countries did? I never said that. I literally said from the beginning that we can't compare ourselves to Sweden because they're a different country than us. Norway and Finland are too. That's why I repeatedly compare the three, but you just keep trying to drift this off to argue about God knows what. You are the only one here using Sweden as a model of what we should be doing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
Where did I ever say who cares what other countries did? I never said that. I literally said from the beginning that we can't compare ourselves to Sweden because they're a different country than us. Norway and Finland are too. That's why I repeatedly compare the three, but you just keep trying to drift this off to argument about God knows what. You are the only one here using Sweden as a model of what we should be doing.
I wasn't saying you specifically. JFC, man you need a drink or a joint or something.
And I am not the only one who has referred to Sweden but whatever. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
Where did I ever say who cares what other countries did? I never said that. I literally said from the beginning that we can't compare ourselves to Sweden because they're a different country than us. Norway and Finland are too. That's why I repeatedly compare the three, but you just keep trying to drift this off to argue about God knows what. You are the only one here using Sweden as a model of what we should be doing.
I think his point is that we should not look at the success other countries had with masking up and enforced social distancing. It's a dumb point, but I don't think he was attacking you necessarily. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I wasn't saying you specifically. JFC, man you need a drink or a joint or something.
And I am not the only one who has referred to Sweden but whatever.
No, 150K people are dead because of stuff like this. I just think it's horrible and the way people like you act is appalling. But the truth is you have no remorse and you get perverse joy out of doing this and twisting the knife, so there's really no point to be here and bother with this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
Sweden is such a completely different culture that comparing America to them is stupid. I've been saying that for months. People just automatically assume every other country operates like the US.
Originally Posted by tk13:
No, 150K people are dead because of stuff like this. I just think it's horrible and the way people like you act is appalling. But the truth is you have no remorse and you get perverse joy out of doing this and twisting the knife, so there's really no point to be here and bother with this.
Originally Posted by sedated:
I'm legit curious, any examples?
The US was just built on rebellion. If their government told them to wear masks, they'd do it.
And as I said earlier, this is a sticky point but it's a heck of a lot easier to say "F it" when if you get this thing your hospital bill won't be that bad. It's just a much different system there. Here if you go to the hospital you're going to rack up bills. There you're going to be out what, 100 bucks?
They're also a much smaller country. Herd immunity is going to be way easier to pull off there, if you really thought that was the strategy. If it's true that you only need to reach 20% of people getting it due to antibodies, that's like 2 million people there. For here in the US that's like 70 million people. That's a lot of deaths and a lot more time to get there.
And that doesn't even get into dirk's point that everyone there has like 5 weeks mandatory holiday time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Dude are you on crack or something?
He's right. You're here trafficking in nonsense on a subject you know nothing about, and this kind of thing is why we're having a second wave and why people won't take common sense precautions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
He's right. You're here trafficking in nonsense on a subject you know nothing about, and this kind of thing is why we're having a second wave and why people won't take common sense precautions.
Okay, Mr. Ethical Skeptic. I didn't realize you were such the expert when it comes to these matters. Perhaps you can post some more tweets you agree with until people flip you shit about it? It's all my fault the virus didn't go away. :-) [Reply]
