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The Gonzo Lounge>Marty, Carl, and drafting quarterbacks.
Rain Man 08:22 PM 06-09-2021
I feel like I might have done something like this a while back, but it's interesting to see the quarterbacks drafted in the NFL when Marty was our coach. We all blame Carl and Marty for not taking a quarterback, but the 90s were truly a dark age for quarterbacks.

Marty was the coach from 1989 through 1998. Let's look at the drafts and the quarterbacks available.

1989 starter - Deberg

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1990 starter - Deberg

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1991 starter - Deberg

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1992 starter - Krieg

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1993 starter - Montana

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1994 starter - Montana

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1995 starter - Bono

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1996 starter - Bono

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1997 starter - Grbac

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1998 starter - Gannon

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Twice in that ten-year period the Chiefs took one of the highest-rated quarterbacks remaining on the board with their highest pick: Elkins and Blundin.

If the Chiefs had spent their highest pick on the highest rated available quarterback every single year, we would have drafted:

Mike Elkins
Tommy Hodson
Todd Marinovich
Tommy Maddox
Billy Joe Hobert
Perry Klein
Todd Collins
Tony Banks
Jim Druckenmiller
Charlie Batch

The best quarterbacks that were available were usually journeymen guys who either were found late or were invested in the 2nd round with only moderate value:

6th round Rodney Peete
3rd round Neil O'Donnell
2nd round Brett Favre
9th round Brad Johnson
5th round Mark Brunell
7th round Gus Frerotte
2nd round Kordell Stewart
2nd round Tony Banks
2nd round Jake Plummer
6th round Matt Hasselbeck

Obviously you've got the lightning strike of Brett Favre, and that would've been great. But after that? You're pretty much wishing that Carl and Marty had hit a dart with Brunell, Brad Johnson, or Hasselbeck.

During Marty's decade, there was simply not a quarterback that he could have drafted other than Favre. And there was no way that Carl and Marty would have drafted a player like Favre.
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BleedingRed 08:28 PM 06-09-2021
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BleedingRed 08:28 PM 06-09-2021
TLDR - we sucked at drafting QBs till we didnt
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RedinTexas 08:35 PM 06-09-2021
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
TLDR - we sucked at drafting QBs till we didnt
Let us pray it is another 20 years before we need to draft another.
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Hammock Parties 08:50 PM 06-09-2021
I wish Milkman was here.

He'd go off on a rant about how they should have traded for Steve Beuerlein.
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KCChiefsFan88 08:53 PM 06-09-2021
In retrospect, the 1990’s were a rough decade for drafting and successfully developing QB’s.

Other than Peyton Manning, the only other first round QB’s drafted in the ‘90’s who had (relatively) successful careers were Drew Bledsoe and Steve McNair (and maybe Daunte Culpepper, but his success was brief and it was mostly big stats rather than winning).

Favre was the only QB drafted in the ‘90’s who won a Super Bowl during that decade.
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alpha_omega 08:56 PM 06-09-2021
Interesting to see Craig Erickson available two years in a row.
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cdcox 09:02 PM 06-09-2021
Will never forgive King Carl for Blackledge.
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ChiefsCountry 09:06 PM 06-09-2021
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
In retrospect, the 1990s were a rough decade for drafting and successfully developing QBs.

Other than Peyton Manning, the only other first round QBs drafted in the 90s who had (relatively) successful careers were Drew Bledsoe and Steve McNair (and maybe Daunte Culpepper, but his success was brief and it was mostly big stats rather than winning).

Favre was the only QB drafted in the 90s who won a Super Bowl during that decade.
Put it this way from 1984 to 1999 in the AFC, only 4 QBs who weren't drafted in the 1983 first round led their team to the Super Bowl in that time frame. Boomer in 1988, Neil O'Donnell in 1995, Drew Bledsoe in 1996 and Steve McNair in 1999. Then it was Brady, Manning and Big Ben era. Just think we are now in the Patrick Mahomes era. How glorious is that.
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cdcox 09:08 PM 06-09-2021
It is amazing that the NFL survived that desert of QB talent.
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Dartgod 09:11 PM 06-09-2021
Originally Posted by cdcox:
Will never forgive King Carl for Blackledge.
DAMMIT CARL!! :-)
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ChiefsCountry 09:11 PM 06-09-2021
Originally Posted by alpha_omega:
Interesting to see Craig Erickson available two years in a row.
He got hurt pre draft process and didn't sign the first time.
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Chiefspants 09:14 PM 06-09-2021
This is a post from Duncan after King Carl made the same argument before the 2020 Super Bowl (I was searching for that interview but instead found this post). I think the core message of it is that you have to at least give it a(n actual) try. Duncan also covered the QB's there after Marty.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Brett Favre, 1991
Brad Johnson, 1992
Mark Brunel, 1993
Gus Frerotte, 1994
Kordell stewart, 1995
Tony Banks, 1996
Jake Plummer, 1997
Brian Griese, 1998
Matt Hasselbeck, 1998
Aaron Brooks, 1999
Marc Bulger, 2000
Tom Brady, 2000
Drew Brees, 2001
David Garrard, 2002
Matt Schaub, 2004
Aaron goddamn mother****ing Rodgers, 2005
Joe Flacco, 2008

That’s 17 QBs drafted at a slot KC could have taken them during Peterson’s regime, most of them much later than the early first round.

Shut. The. ****. Up. Carl.

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GloucesterChief 09:16 PM 06-09-2021
Originally Posted by cdcox:
It is amazing that the NFL survived that desert of QB talent.
It was just a different era of offense. There were a lot more defensive stars in the 90s compared to today
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ChiefsCountry 09:21 PM 06-09-2021
Originally Posted by cdcox:
It is amazing that the NFL survived that desert of QB talent.
Well you had Elway, Marino, Kelly in the AFC during that time. Then in the NFC you had Young, Favre, and Aikman. Not a total desert, but its also why Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson got Super Bowl wins as well during the early 2000s.
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