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banyon 03:02 PM 05-11-2021
28 Reported Dead In Gaza From Israeli Airstrikes; Gaza Rockets Kill 3 In Israel

May 11, 20212:13 PM ET
Becky Sullivan
BECKY SULLIVAN


An Israeli firefighter walks next to cars hit by a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip, in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon on Tuesday.
Ariel Schalit/AP


https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/99587...ll-2-in-israel


Israel warned that airstrikes on Gaza would continue over the coming days as at least 28 Palestinians and three Israelis were reported killed amid rising cross-border violence sparked by clashes in Jerusalem.

A confrontation on Friday between Israeli police and Palestinian demonstrators at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem's Old City has escalated rapidly since the weekend, leaving Israelis and Palestinians alike bracing for more violence as the holy month of Ramadan comes to a close this week.

Over the last two days, Palestinian militants fired hundreds of rockets from Gaza toward Jerusalem and coastal Israeli cities, including Tel Aviv. Israel has responded with scores of airstrikes it says are targeting militants in Gaza. Israeli officials say they are preparing to expand their offensive.

Two Israelis were killed Tuesday when rockets struck two houses in the port city of Ashkelon. Another rocket hit an empty school that had been ordered closed due to the risk of strikes. A rocket barrage Tuesday night killed a third Israeli in the Tel Aviv suburb Holon.

Some rockets have been intercepted by the Israeli army's missile defense system, while others fell short and landed within Gaza.

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Early Tuesday morning, Israeli warplanes and drones conducted at least 130 airstrikes over Gaza. Officials with the Israel Defense Forces said they targeted operatives from Hamas and Islamic Jihad, killing 15, including the chief of Islamic Jihad's special rocket unit.

Health officials in Gaza said 28 people have been killed in the strikes, including at least 10 children. More than 150 Palestinians in Gaza have been injured, they said.

The border between Gaza and Israel has been closed to journalists due to the rocket fire.

Israel's army chief of staff has ordered the military to prepare to widen its operation against Gaza "with no time limit." At a press briefing Tuesday, Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz told reporters Israel plans to "deal a hard blow to Hamas" in the coming days, referring to the militant Palestinian group which governs Gaza.

The recent round of violence erupted after weeks of tension in Jerusalem, where Israeli police had routinely confronted Palestinian protesters, mostly around the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in the Old City. The mosque is located in an area known to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif, or the Noble Sanctuary, and to Jews as the Temple Mount. Anti-Arab Jewish gangs have contributed to the unrest, attacking groups of Palestinians.

Beginning Friday, Israeli police have used stun grenades, rubber-coated bullets and water cannons to disperse the growing crowds of demonstrators. The Palestinian Red Crescent emergency medical service says more than a thousand Palestinians have been injured since Friday, with hundreds hospitalized. Roughly a dozen Israeli police officers have been hurt.

The escalation in violence prompted international calls for calm and criticism from Israel's Arab neighbors.

Jordan's foreign minister Ayman Safadi was in Washington over the weekend, where he met with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Speaking to reporters ahead of their meeting, Blinken urged both sides to de-escalate.

"We're very focused on the situation in Israel, West Bank, Gaza, very deeply concerned about the rocket attacks that we're seeing now, that they need to stop, they need to stop immediately," Blinken said ahead of the meeting with Safadi.

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan also met with Safadi during his visit to Washington, and spoke by phone with his Israeli counterpart to urge calm and denounce violence.

NPR's Daniel Estrin in Jerusalem contributed reporting.
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Over Yonder 10:40 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
We do have a pretty strong trading relationship with them, too, yes.
They blank check donate to America? C'mon man.


If I buy something you are selling, that doesn't make me a saint or anything. Especially if we go back to the donate money scenario we discussed earlier. I'm cool with Donger and Yonder having a robust and super awesome trading relationship as well just so long as you are providing the money for said trading relationship.

This is a terrible argument, man. But to each their own. Folks that think like you will likely continue my use my tax dollars to fund this madness so I might as well grow to love it I guess. :-)
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GloryDayz 10:45 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
:-)
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Discuss Thrower 10:46 AM 05-12-2021
Israel should not exist.
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ghak99 10:48 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
That's not much time.

Are there any videos of them jumping out their windows after the knock?
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NinerDoug 11:07 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
Do we need a minimum wage increase in this country (that would largely affect those industries) or don't we? Your side of the political aisle keeps saying we do. So which is it, are they or are they not being paid enough in those industries?
Well, you seem to believe that illegals are driving down wages in those four areas you mentioned.

I think it's possible for construction, in less skilled trades.

Farming? The kind of farming done in the midwest is all pretty much mechanized, these days, isn't it?

The kind of agriculture done by illegals is generally the kind of work that Americans won't do. If you have to pay somebody $20 an hour to pick strawberries, strawberries will be prohibitively expensive.

That type of labor intensive agriculture would just move south of the border if there were no migrant farm workers to do the jobs that need to be done.

That makes no sense to me, as there are migrants willing to do the work at labor prices that make the industry viable.

Generally speaking, you don't have American citizens lining up to do the kind of work that illegals do. Which is why they hire illegals to do it.
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Donger 11:14 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by ghak99:
That's not much time.

Are there any videos of them jumping out their windows after the knock?
I believe that those videos are compressed. My understanding is that the IDF typically gave from five to 15 minutes from the warning knock to the attack.
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ghak99 11:35 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
I believe that those videos are compressed. My understanding is that the IDF typically gave from five to 15 minutes from the warning knock to the attack.
That severely limits my odds of finding the desired entertainment.

I am still impressed by the knock.
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banyon 11:36 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Israel should not exist.
What kind of fish were you trolling for here? :-)
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Discuss Thrower 11:37 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
What kind of fish were you trolling for here? :-)
Just speaking truth to power
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Just Passin' By 11:42 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Just speaking truth to power
Ok...
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mr. tegu 11:49 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Over Yonder:
I'll tell ya what really sucks here. I am trying to convince the wife that the Middle East should be our next out of country vacation and none of this is gonna help my argument :-)

But why?
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Prison Bitch 11:55 AM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Israel should not exist.
Why not? They have every right to exist. But I do believe the US should make their annual aid conditional on accepting American values:


1. Introduce “critical race theory” to Israeli students to educate them on their privilege and oppression of others.
2. Hang banners at embassies reading “Arab Lives Matter”
3. Reparations package to confront generations of racist economic inequities.


If they follow American values like those, they get the aid.
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Over Yonder 12:36 PM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
But why?
She is nervous about terrorist attacks while we would be there. She's a female and worries about too much, you know how they are.
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AdolfOliverBush 12:39 PM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by Over Yonder:
She is nervous about terrorist attacks while we would be there. She's a female and worries about too much, you know how they are.
Where in the Middle East?
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Over Yonder 12:43 PM 05-12-2021
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Where in the Middle East?
This is next year but I found a 10 day guided tour that does Israel, Jordan, and Egypt. It looks really awesome.
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