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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>The Julio Two-Step
Direckshun 07:06 AM 05-10-2021
So I don't know much about things, but I do know three things.

1. The Chiefs have a hole at #2 WR.
2. The Falcons are looking to trade Julio Jones.
3. The Chiefs are, clearly, not interested in losing any 2022 picks. Which, duh, because that class is going to be amazing.

That being said, we know the Chiefs can do pick swaps, as a way to handing over value but keeping the same number of bullets in the chamber.

What's the priciest pick swap you're comfortable with doing for Julio, if any?

Are you willing to fork over a 2nd for a 4th + Julio?

A 3rd for a 5th + Julio?

Are you willing to fork over a 2nd for a 3rd, a 4th + Julio?

How creative are you willing to get.
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Couch-Potato 01:12 PM 05-26-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Money isn't the issue. I kind of outlined a "scenario" to make it happen in the Lounge thread. The issue is going to be what the Falcons want. If it's the reported 1st or even a 2nd, I'd be out. No way I'd give up that kind of capital for a 32-year-old player. A 3rd is max.
Where to sign up!? I'd happily give a 3rd + Player for Julio.

Who do you want? Mecole, D Rob, LDT?
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htismaqe 01:16 PM 05-26-2021
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Where to sign up!? I'd happily give a 3rd + Player for Julio.

Who do you want? Mecole, D Rob, LDT?
Giving up Mecole on a rookie contract would be dumb.

They don't want our 2nd and 3rd-string trash.
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kccrow 10:52 PM 05-26-2021
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Where to sign up!? I'd happily give a 3rd + Player for Julio.

Who do you want? Mecole, D Rob, LDT?
LDT would actually make some sense for them to fit in for a year at LG while they develop Jalen Mayfield.
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kccrow 10:55 PM 05-26-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It is an issue unless you start getting really creative with the cap (like the scenario you mentioned, which still isn't all that realistic).

You're more than likely having to cut salary to fit him in PLUS trading high draft picks.

It's just too much.

The only realistic scenario is moving Frank Clark money. The Chiefs aren't cutting Hitchens this year. An HB extension won't likely get them there either. If they want Julio, it's a combo of moving some of his salary to bonus and Clark's. How much may depend on a few other potential factors like an HB extension shaving a few off the top but that's about it.

I'd take Julio for a couple of "likely" good years yet if the price is no more than a 3rd. A 3rd is less than flipping a coin on getting a player that does anything much. If we're talking a 1st or 2nd, save the picks and draft a WR early next year.

That said, the Falcons reportedly want a 1st. If that's the case, they can go blow smoke up their own asses.
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The Franchise 10:54 AM 05-27-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
LDT would actually make some sense for them to fit in for a year at LG while they develop Jalen Mayfield.
Pretty sure LDT has a no trade clause.
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htismaqe 01:04 PM 05-27-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
The only realistic scenario is moving Frank Clark money. The Chiefs aren't cutting Hitchens this year. An HB extension won't likely get them there either. If they want Julio, it's a combo of moving some of his salary to bonus and Clark's. How much may depend on a few other potential factors like an HB extension shaving a few off the top but that's about it.

I'd take Julio for a couple of "likely" good years yet if the price is no more than a 3rd. A 3rd is less than flipping a coin on getting a player that does anything much. If we're talking a 1st or 2nd, save the picks and draft a WR early next year.

That said, the Falcons reportedly want a 1st. If that's the case, they can go blow smoke up their own asses.
Exactly.

It's just not in the cards. We don't have the scratch to make it happen.
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kccrow 08:03 PM 05-27-2021
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Pretty sure LDT has a no trade clause.
You're more than likely correct on that one. I don't recall for sure but it seems like I remember something like that now that you mention it. May have came into play with the void year.
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duncan_idaho 08:08 AM 05-28-2021
The Chiefs' ability to make this happen all pins on the Mathieu extension.

If they can work a 3- or 4-year extension with him, the cap hit for 2021 likely drops by $10M or so, which gives you enough room to make a Jones trade possible.

Cut or trade Wylie and Pringle, and you can add a few M more of wiggle room.

IF they can get the extension done on terms that they like and that work for them, and the trade compensation is no more than a third-round pick, I think it works for the Chiefs.
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Tribal Warfare 01:58 PM 05-30-2021

The current thinking in league circles is that the Falcons eventually will trade Julio Jones to the Titans for a second-round pick. https://t.co/6SiXGaTI9p

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) May 30, 2021

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Halfcan 08:41 PM 05-30-2021
How do you "emerge to be a perceived favorite"?

Sounds like some typical PFF made-up shit.
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Rausch 01:06 PM 05-31-2021
Originally Posted by mkp785:
This. I'll add that Atlanta isn't going to be giving him away. I'll bet when he's traded it'll be a 2nd or 3rd and possibly another lower pick added on. There's no reason for us to give all that up and pay him 15M....where'd he be a 3rd option here.
I doubt the Falcons get more than a low 2nd rounder.

He wants out and they need to dump his cap number...
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Cave Johnson 03:02 PM 06-06-2021
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
How do you "emerge to be a perceived favorite"?

Sounds like some typical PFF made-up shit.
Falcons leak the deal, hoping another team will beat it. Which they didnít.

Itís not rocket science, Halfwit.
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RunKC 10:28 AM 06-16-2021
I’m really glad that we didn’t trade picks for this guy as well as paying him that much money. He’s heading towards the end of the road with maybe a year, maybe 2, of high end play.

I would love for this team to accumulate more draft picks bc I trust them fully at this point to hit on day 3 players. When you’re drafting Tyreek Hill’s, Kareem Hunt’s, Travis Kelce’s, Juan Thornhill’s, L’Jarius Sneed’s, Noah Gray’s and Trey Smith’s with picks outside the top 50, you can really build your depth.

Hopefully Bieniemy gets hired and we can pull another draft pick from a trade.
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htismaqe 12:22 PM 06-16-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Iím really glad that we didnít trade picks for this guy as well as paying him that much money. Heís heading towards the end of the road with maybe a year, maybe 2, of high end play.

I would love for this team to accumulate more draft picks bc I trust them fully at this point to hit on day 3 players. When youíre drafting Tyreek Hillís, Kareem Huntís, Travis Kelceís, Juan Thornhillís, LíJarius Sneedís, Noah Grayís and Trey Smithís with picks outside the top 50, you can really build your depth.

Hopefully Bieniemy gets hired and we can pull another draft pick from a trade.
Great post until the end there. Bienemy is never going to be a head coach. It's not going to happen.
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Kellerfox 02:01 PM 06-16-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Great post until the end there. Bienemy is never going to be a head coach. It's not going to happen.
We know some of the skeletons in the closet (which are bad), but there's got to be something worse. He's interviewed with 1/3rd of the league at this point. For them to all pass on an energetic, charismatic, minority coach who is loved by his players means that the unknown skeletons have to be pretty effin bad.

The known incidents from his time at CU are enough to make a team think twice... But I think someone would be willing to gamble on him if that was it.
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