Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
In case you guys hadn't heard, DC has decided that their films will no longer be intertwined like Marvel.
So, treat each film as a standalone, although there will be a few nods from time to time.
Is it because they couldn’t decide on how where to take the universe or how to properly build it? From the outside looking in, it’s like they wanted an MCU version of their product but didn’t want to take the time to build it up. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DanBecky:
Is it because they couldn’t decide on how where to take the universe or how to properly build it? From the outside looking in, it’s like they wanted an MCU version of their product but didn’t want to take the time to build it up.
From my understanding, there were a bunch of variables.
Matthew Vaughn wanted to do his own version of Batman, which wasn't inline with Zach Snyder's Batman.
Spoiler!
The Flashpoint script was turned in and apparently, it changes the timeline, with Bruce Wayne being killed, while his father becomes Batman and his mother becomes the Joker.
Suicide Squad 2 is outside the Justice League and Wonder Woman "universe".
They also want to do a separate Shazam! and Black Adam films, which would be outside of Justice League, The Flash and Aquaman.
The bottom line is that Geoff Johns just couldn't put it all together, like Kevin Feige was able to do, so instead of re-writing and re-writing and re-writing, he just said "Fuck it" and decided that the films won't really connect.
They're in the DC Universe but what happens in one film won't necessarily affect what happens in other films. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The Flashpoint script was turned in and apparently, it changes the timeline, with Bruce Wayne being killed, while his father becomes Batman and his mother becomes the Joker.
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
From my understanding, there were a bunch of variables.
Matthew Vaughn wanted to do his own version of Batman, which wasn't inline with Zach Snyder's Batman.
Matt Reeves is doing Batman. There was talk of Vaughn doing Man of Steel 2, but I don't think that was ever locked in.
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Spoiler!
The Flashpoint script was turned in and apparently, it changes the timeline, with Bruce Wayne being killed, while his father becomes Batman and his mother becomes the Joker.
That's what happens in the Flashpoint comic.
Spoiler!
Internet rumors say they don't intend to do that unless they can't get Affleck. Especially since it wouldn't make any sense, because Thomas Wayne would have to be over 70. Anyway, Flashpoint is an okay comic, but the time travel logic is stupid. Basically Flash goes back in time to prevent his mother's, murder, and this changes a bunch of things unrelated to that, for some reason. Also at the end he stops himself from saving his mother. This was the event that lead to the New 52 reboot. For, again, some reason.
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Suicide Squad 2 is outside the Justice League and Wonder Woman "universe".
They also want to do a separate Shazam! and Black Adam films, which would be outside of Justice League, The Flash and Aquaman.
Plus the Joker origin movie.
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The bottom line is that Geoff Johns just couldn't put it all together, like Kevin Feige was able to do, so instead of re-writing and re-writing and re-writing, he just said "Fuck it" and decided that the films won't really connect.
They're in the DC Universe but what happens in one film won't necessarily affect what happens in other films.
I wouldn't put it so much as Geoff Johns' feet, and I say that as someone who's not a huge fan of him as a writer. Marvel is possible because Feige has a level of control that's not realistically possible to get at Warner Bros. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jamie:
Matt Reeves is doing Batman.
Right. I get those Matt's confused all the time.
Originally Posted by Jamie:
I wouldn't put it so much as Geoff Johns' feet, and I say that as someone who's not a huge fan of him as a writer. Marvel is possible because Feige has a level of control that's not realistically possible to get at Warner Bros.
This is false. WB took away the DCEU from Snyder and gave it to Johns. He just couldn't pull it off. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jamie:
Matt Reeves is doing Batman. There was talk of Vaughn doing Man of Steel 2, but I don't think that was ever locked in.
That's what happens in the Flashpoint comic.
Spoiler!
Internet rumors say they don't intend to do that unless they can't get Affleck. Especially since it wouldn't make any sense, because Thomas Wayne would have to be over 70. Anyway, Flashpoint is an okay comic, but the time travel logic is stupid. Basically Flash goes back in time to prevent his mother's, murder, and this changes a bunch of things unrelated to that, for some reason. Also at the end he stops himself from saving his mother. This was the event that lead to the New 52 reboot. For, again, some reason.
I would hope that they go with the Grant Morrison Batman & Robin route if and when Affleck is on his way out. Nightwing becoming Batman is the only acceptable way Batman can be someone other than Bruce within the same continuity without changing actors. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy:
Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. If it gets us better quality movies like Wonder Woman, then it is a good thing.
I think there are two ways to look at it:
First, the audience won't have needed to see every stinking film in order to put together what's happening onscreen. The "serialization" of the DC was killing their creative energy and they've had so many changes, in a relatively short period of time, that there's no true "One Vision".
The other thing is that like the early Marvel attempts at The Hulk, which were pretty freaking bad, the second Spider-Man movies, Thor 2, Iron Man 2 (and for some people, 3), etc. and so on, DC can just create movies and hope something "sticks", then down the road, put together a "Justice League" or interconnected universe.
They tried to compete with Marvel without a vision and now, they've given up, which is probably a good thing for now. [Reply]