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Nzoner's Game Room>***Official 2024 STL Cardinals Thread ***
'Hamas' Jenkins 01:24 PM 03-29-2024
“We’re not exactly a low payroll team, but you got the Dodgers playing checkbook baseball. We’re going to be the hardest working group of Midwestern farmers we can be,” Mikolas opined on March 16 about this domestic-season-opening matchup, per John Denton of MLB.com. “It would be great to stick it to the Dodgers.”

Mikolas is a shit-sucking cretin. He fits in perfectly with the supercilious cunts running the team.
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BigRedChief 06:18 PM 03-29-2024

"What the front office did, whether they realize it or not, was they've left no one else to blame but themselves"@katiejwoo weighs in on the extension to @Cardinals manager Oli Marmol

▶️ https://t.co/mmt90ANBFz pic.twitter.com/VEkwoydEUa

— Foul Territory (@FoulTerritoryTV) March 29, 2024

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ChiefsCountry 05:48 PM 03-31-2024
You guys watching the ESPN broadcast? Kike Hernandez's pitch com is coming through the mic on the interview.
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bdj23 07:04 PM 03-31-2024
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
You guys watching the ESPN broadcast? Kike Hernandez's pitch com is coming through the mic on the interview.
Saw that.

Now i get to watch em implode
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bdj23 07:41 PM 03-31-2024
lol

Shit team
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'Hamas' Jenkins 08:40 PM 03-31-2024
Paul Goldschmidt may make the HOF, but the dude is nothing but a compiler that routinely shits himself in big moments.
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Ocotillo 02:21 PM 04-01-2024
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Paul Goldschmidt may make the HOF, but the dude is nothing but a compiler that routinely shits himself in big moments.
Goldschmidt's career slash line:
.293/.388/.519

Goldschmidt's career slash line when "late and close":
.249/.370/.430
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jdubya 10:37 PM 03-31-2024
Dodgers are the dynasty
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BigRedChief 09:24 AM 04-01-2024
Originally Posted by jdubya:
Dodgers are the dynasty
When you spend a new BILLION $'s in the off season adding players, on top of the BILLION $'s you already spent, you probably will make your team better.

This is really bad for baseball. Football figured it out a long time ago. All teams should have the same chance to win a championship. Only a handful of baseball teams can commit to a BILLION $'s.

Its an unfair advantage. Baseball is in trouble. Fans only watch their own teams games.Unless there is some sort of salary cap put in place, it'll continue its decline.

That change wont take place until baseball loses a whole season or more. But, thats what its going to take to save baseball for the next generation.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 05:02 PM 04-01-2024
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
When you spend a new BILLION $'s in the off season adding players, on top of the BILLION $'s you already spent, you probably will make your team better.

This is really bad for baseball. Football figured it out a long time ago. All teams should have the same chance to win a championship. Only a handful of baseball teams can commit to a BILLION $'s.

Its an unfair advantage. Baseball is in trouble. Fans only watch their own teams games.Unless there is some sort of salary cap put in place, it'll continue its decline.

That change wont take place until baseball loses a whole season or more. But, thats what its going to take to save baseball for the next generation.
The Dodgers are kicking the can down the road to avoid huge CBT bills. It's no different from how the Chiefs keep restructuring Mahomes, and actually smarter based on California tax law for them to offer it to Ohtani. Whether it makes him more or less money in the long run may be debatable, but it allows them to go out and supplement an elite core.

The Cardinals could do this if they wanted. They did it with Matt Holliday. They just don't care. Everyone in the org got fat and complacent after 2013, and bought into their own hype, and ownership no longer cared about doing anything more than the bare minimum. They didn't appreciate that Luhnow built the team that was the envy of the NL from 2011-2015. That's why the Cubs lapped them, the Dodgers, Phillies and Braves buried them, and why they won't win over 85 games for the foreseeable future.
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oldandslow 06:03 AM 04-03-2024
3-3 out west so far and this is without Gray having a start. Far better than I expected to be honest.

If Wynn, Walker, and Donavan continue to progress, this team will be all right.
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VAChief 10:29 AM 04-03-2024
Originally Posted by oldandslow:
3-3 out west so far and this is without Gray having a start. Far better than I expected to be honest.

If Wynn, Walker, and Donavan continue to progress, this team will be all right.
"All right" like 83-79 is probably an optimistic ceiling. No way that geriatric starting corps last the whole year.

Their previous top starting propects McGreevy and Graceffo are likely busts. Hence has yet to throw a 100 innings. The cupboard is pretty bare down on the farms. It could get real ugly in the next few years.

The best we can hope for is Goldy and Arenado show they still have something at the trade deadline and somehow Mo doesn't continue to undervalue his talent in trades.

All that said, Go Cards!
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Pasta Little Brioni 11:40 AM 04-03-2024
Originally Posted by oldandslow:
3-3 out west so far and this is without Gray having a start. Far better than I expected to be honest.

If Wynn, Walker, and Donavan continue to progress, this team will be all right.
Stop...just...stop
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DJ's left nut 10:39 PM 04-03-2024
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
The Dodgers are kicking the can down the road to avoid huge CBT bills. It's no different from how the Chiefs keep restructuring Mahomes, and actually smarter based on California tax law for them to offer it to Ohtani. Whether it makes him more or less money in the long run may be debatable, but it allows them to go out and supplement an elite core.

The Cardinals could do this if they wanted. They did it with Matt Holliday. They just don't care. Everyone in the org got fat and complacent after 2013, and bought into their own hype, and ownership no longer cared about doing anything more than the bare minimum. They didn't appreciate that Luhnow built the team that was the envy of the NL from 2011-2015. That's why the Cubs lapped them, the Dodgers, Phillies and Braves buried them, and why they won't win over 85 games for the foreseeable future.
From an organizational standpoint, they've been passed by the Reds and Pirates. Both teams are smarter and more creative.

The sole distinction between the franchises is the fanbase. Cardinals fans still show up so Mozeliak can spend more money (and typically does it very poorly).

THAT'S the bigger problem. It's that they're stale. I read an article a month or so back about revolutions in coaching and how more teams are using outside voices like Driveline to supplement their coaching - the Cardinals weren't mentioned. I've seen articles regarding foreign academies - the Cardinals shut down their Dominican academy during COVID and never re-started it.

They don't DO anything. There's nothing this organization does to set it apart from anyone else in baseball. They have no identity anymore because a suit runs the show. They don't have any creativity because Mozeliak will stomp it out. They won't even write checks like the Yankees, Dodgers and Phillies.

Look at this organization and ask yourself why SHOULD they win anything? They aren't good at anything. They aren't ahead of the curve anywhere.

And they don't seem to give a fuck. They seem wholly content to tread water. It's just bizarre.
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Marcellus 07:48 AM 04-01-2024
So Oli burned 1.2 innings of Gallegos Friday night in a game they were down 5-0 then used him Saturday so he wasnt available Sunday night.

We have guy on the roster in the pen Fernandez, who hasn't thrown a pitch this season.

And everyone is talking about the Cards "depleted" bullpen.

Oli is a fucking moron.
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