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unlurking 06:29 PM 03-19-2021
I enjoyed it a lot. I like WV too, but this should appeal to those who didn't or felt it has too slow of a start.


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Kman34 11:31 AM 03-20-2021
Originally Posted by unlurking:
I enjoyed it a lot. I like WV too, but this should appeal to those who didn't or felt it has too slow of a start.


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I read somewhere it cost 26 million per episode.. So the action scenes are going to be awesome..
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DaneMcCloud 12:12 PM 03-20-2021
Originally Posted by Kman34:
I read somewhere it cost 26 million per episode.. So the action scenes are going to be awesome..
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Disney spent $25 million per episode on The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, making it the most expensive TV show in history.
:-)
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Kman34 04:55 PM 03-20-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
:-)
HA!! Thanks..
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staylor26 12:14 AM 03-20-2021
Enjoyed the 1st episode. That opening action scene was amazing TV.
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Fish 12:20 AM 03-20-2021
Pleasantly impressed with the 1st episode. The initial action scene was really well done.

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Bowser 11:15 AM 03-20-2021
I liked it a lot. Interesting angle they're taking with Bucky.
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Deberg_1990 11:27 AM 03-20-2021
This was really good. I think I’m going to enjoy this more than WandaVision
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Buehler445 07:42 AM 03-21-2021
I thought the first episode was really good. It was a lot heavier than I expected. I was here for the jokes. (Are you two really having a staring contest? How old are you? :-)). They’re hitting some pretty heavy stuff. And doing it well. After a little recalibration of expectations I think I’ll like it a lot more.

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I watched a dork video that pulled some pretty deep parallels to Winter Soldier that I missed. Dork video also speculated that

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Hadn’t considered it but they make a compelling case.

Overall really good. And the stuff about the therapy and the father on Buckys end and failure and pressure on Sams were really well done IMO.
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Buehler445 07:44 AM 03-21-2021
Side note. It’s always weird when people pretend like consolidating and taking further debt for operating capital will somehow help a financial situation. What, is all the current debt in a credit card?
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DaneMcCloud 09:27 PM 03-21-2021
I've watched three times so far and unfortunately, I'm pretty mixed about Episode 1.

We knew the action sequences were going to be amazing due to the price tag, so it wasn't a surprise to see the Falcon kick ass in action. The casting is spot-on and it was nice to see Don Cheadle (Terrance Howard, you fucking idiot) because I'd either forgotten that he was attached or didn't know but either way, his presence gave the show some gravitas while also providing some humanity from a wise and familiar face.

I thought it was a really interesting choice to see Bucky seeking atonement for some of his dirty work, especially considering that it appears that he's seeking atonement from those who weren't his target and instead, were collateral damage. I think it's an interesting path but if Hawkeye doesn't take a similar path, it'll really be out of place because as Ronin, he murdered scores of people that will not ever come back. Imagine blipping 5 years ago, only to return a microsecond later, only to find family members murdered. Now, we know they were "bad guys" but Tony's Snap did nothing to help those Ronin killed.

I thought the introduction of the next Captain America was awkward to say the least. They said that America "needed a symbol" right now, in these "trying times" but they never revealed much about those "trying times". I mentioned in the WandaVision thread that I really wanted to see Marvel explore what happened when 4 Billion people disappeared off the face of the earth, then return five years later. And it wasn't just human life that was Snapped, it was ALL life. What happened to the oceans? The climate? What happens when those who comes back from The Blip find their loved one truly dead or that they've moved on? I hope they tell us more and don't leave it all too vague.

I didn't really care about Sam's backstory because it was lazy writing. I just find it incredibly hard to believe that not only was he not paid by anyone to be an Avenger but apparently, wasn't given a reward of money for helping to destroy Thanos and his army, while helping to return 4 billion people and the other half of non-intelligent life! I realize that people, and especially governments, around the world are selfish pricks but good grief, that doesn't even seem to be even remotely believable.

I mean, the guy is a worldwide superstar that just saved the world. The amount of pussy that dude would pull would surpass Tony Stark and there would be companies lining up for him to endorse their products. And if none of that happened, there isn't a doubt in my mind that someone, if not hundreds of people, would set up a Go Fund Me account because Falcon didn't work for the last 5 years because he blipped but came back and helped save the world. The dude would be a billionaire in less than 24 hours.

And finally, the score. After Christophe Beck's brilliant score throughout WandaVision, especially the first end credits, we're stuck with Henry Jackman, whose End Theme was totally forgettable, the action sequences were blah and there was absolutely no cohesion. I realize that everyone can't be Christophe Beck or Brian Tyler or Alan Silvestri but good grief, there are many other guys in town that would have killed that score, not just slept through it.

And wow. $150 million for six episodes that are less than 60 minutes. Yeesh.
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Deberg_1990 11:58 AM 03-22-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I've watched three times so far and unfortunately, I'm pretty mixed about Episode 1.

We knew the action sequences were going to be amazing due to the price tag, so it wasn't a surprise to see the Falcon kick ass in action. The casting is spot-on and it was nice to see Don Cheadle (Terrance Howard, you ****ing idiot) because I'd either forgotten that he was attached or didn't know but either way, his presence gave the show some gravitas while also providing some humanity from a wise and familiar face.

I thought it was a really interesting choice to see Bucky seeking atonement for some of his dirty work, especially considering that it appears that he's seeking atonement from those who weren't his target and instead, were collateral damage. I think it's an interesting path but if Hawkeye doesn't take a similar path, it'll really be out of place because as Ronin, he murdered scores of people that will not ever come back. Imagine blipping 5 years ago, only to return a microsecond later, only to find family members murdered. Now, we know they were "bad guys" but Tony's Snap did nothing to help those Ronin killed.

I thought the introduction of the next Captain America was awkward to say the least. They said that America "needed a symbol" right now, in these "trying times" but they never revealed much about those "trying times". I mentioned in the WandaVision thread that I really wanted to see Marvel explore what happened when 4 Billion people disappeared off the face of the earth, then return five years later. And it wasn't just human life that was Snapped, it was ALL life. What happened to the oceans? The climate? What happens when those who comes back from The Blip find their loved one truly dead or that they've moved on? I hope they tell us more and don't leave it all too vague.

I didn't really care about Sam's backstory because it was lazy writing. I just find it incredibly hard to believe that not only was he not paid by anyone to be an Avenger but apparently, wasn't given a reward of money for helping to destroy Thanos and his army, while helping to return 4 billion people and the other half of non-intelligent life! I realize that people, and especially governments, around the world are selfish pricks but good grief, that doesn't even seem to be even remotely believable.

I mean, the guy is a worldwide superstar that just saved the world. The amount of pussy that dude would pull would surpass Tony Stark and there would be companies lining up for him to endorse their products. And if none of that happened, there isn't a doubt in my mind that someone, if not hundreds of people, would set up a Go Fund Me account because Falcon didn't work for the last 5 years because he blipped but came back and helped save the world. The dude would be a billionaire in less than 24 hours.

And finally, the score. After Christophe Beck's brilliant score throughout WandaVision, especially the first end credits, we're stuck with Henry Jackman, whose End Theme was totally forgettable, the action sequences were blah and there was absolutely no cohesion. I realize that everyone can't be Christophe Beck or Brian Tyler or Alan Silvestri but good grief, there are many other guys in town that would have killed that score, not just slept through it.

And wow. $150 million for six episodes that are less than 60 minutes. Yeesh.
I guess I didn’t think that deeply into it while watching.

I’m just glad to see Mackie and Stan be given a little more meat to work with than in the big screen movies. They are both extremely likeable leads.

$150 million for approx 4.8 hours of content. Seems reasonable compared to a 2 hour MCU movie budget ....

Are you campaigning for a future Marvel score?
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DaneMcCloud 02:31 PM 03-22-2021
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990:
I guess I didn’t think that deeply into it while watching.
Sure, I totally get that and wish I could "turn off" my brain but I just can't.

My brain won't let me.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990:
I’m just glad to see Mackie and Stan be given a little more meat to work with than in the big screen movies. They are both extremely likeable leads.
They're both perfect for their roles and I'm looking forward to seeing them together in action.

The addition of Don Cheadle's Rhodie opens the door to other Avengers to appear in his upcoming series, so I totally dig that they're connecting this part of the MCU as well.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990:
$150 million for approx 4.8 hours of content. Seems reasonable compared to a 2 hour MCU movie budget ...
I guess, although Ant-Man, Ant-Man II and Captain America: The First Avenger all cost less than one season of The Falcon & Winter Soldier.

$150 million is a lot of dough for a TV series but I'm sure Disney won't lose a dime on this series, especially considering it'll live forever.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990:
Are you campaigning for a future Marvel score?
There's no way I could commit to working 12 hours a day for 3-4 months straight and Ghost Writing gigs don't pay worth a damn, so my answer is not at this time.

I've been offered some animated series by Disney in the past few years and that line of communication is always open but I can't imagine taking on a huge project like this until both of my children are in their teens, which is a ways away.
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Chiefspants 12:18 PM 03-22-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I've watched three times so far and unfortunately, I'm pretty mixed about Episode 1.

I didn't really care about Sam's backstory because it was lazy writing. I just find it incredibly hard to believe that not only was he not paid by anyone to be an Avenger but apparently, wasn't given a reward of money for helping to destroy Thanos and his army, while helping to return 4 billion people and the other half of non-intelligent life! I realize that people, and especially governments, around the world are selfish pricks but good grief, that doesn't even seem to be even remotely believable.
This is where Marvel’s cinematic and comic universe tend to struggle when trying to tell individual stories in a “connected” universe. It’s like how Iron Man 3 somehow had Tony Stark get obliterated by rockets by an earth based invader on a U.S. coast (how?) without SHIELD ever lifting a finger throughout that movie. You just have to turn your brain off to the connectivity of the universe sometimes (when the writers clearly do).

Both Peter Parker and Sam’s meager economic situation makes zero sense with their connection to the Avengers/Tony. The only thing would be if Tony Stark had a Bezos like selfishness to his wealth... but I don’t want to give someone like Rian Johnson any ideas to “explain” this leap in logic like he did for Luke in TLJ. Some of these leaps in logic are better left unexplained, I suppose.
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DaneMcCloud 02:46 PM 03-22-2021
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
This is where Marvel’s cinematic and comic universe tend to struggle when trying to tell individual stories in a “connected” universe. It’s like how Iron Man 3 somehow had Tony Stark get obliterated by rockets by an earth based invader (how?) without SHIELD ever lifting a finger throughout that movie. You just have to turn your brain off to the connectivity of the universe sometimes (when the writers clearly do).

Both Peter Parker and Sam’s meager economic situation makes zero sense with their connection to the Avengers/Tony. The only thing would be if Tony Stark had a Bezos like selfishness to his wealth... but I don’t want to give someone like Rian Johnson any ideas to “explain” this leap in logic like he did for Luke in TLJ. Some of these leaps in logic are better left unexplained, I suppose.
What makes the fact that Sam (and I'm assuming, Bucky and many other Avengers) are broke is what took me right out of the narrative.

FFS, Kylie Jenner, who's a freaking billionaire, set up a Go Fund Me on Friday for her stylist to get health insurance and cover medical expenses from an accident. Nearly $100k has been raised in less than 3 days.

Yet, we're supposed to believe that actual Avengers members are broke? That's just a bridge too far for me.
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