Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by TLO:
Long time reputable news sources seem to have an agenda to push. Left, right, or otherwise.
So do the people with the Twitter and Facebooks.
I edited my post to add CPDC.
Man, if that's what you've decided to believe then live with it. I'll just add that if you run across something that seems to wild to believe, it probably is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
How many kids die each year from the flu? That’s apparently an acceptable number so let’s start there.
There are a lot of resources out of Europe and Asia where they’ve found kids are not vectors to adults at much of a high rate at all. Kids also aren’t at a high risk of this thankfully.
You’ve got teachers and staff that are more likely to get it from each other or at home than the kids and that’s the biggest issue.
No shit! And more kids die from the flu than have died from Covid. But there is always some fear some people are going to have to justify hiding.
Now, if I were in Dane's situation I probably wouldn't shove my kids off to school given they are actually taking it on the chin. Most of the country isn't and kids need to be in school. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jdubya:
I have a daughter in high school. She says there are parties every week with 40+ people all drinking and hanging with each other indoors and outdoors in swimming pools etc. If that is happening already, why not go to school? I see folks in my hood that have 7-10 kids all jumping on trampolines and bounce houses for birthday parties......why not let them go to school? Those who are nervous about it should home school or distance learn as they wish.
When I was at that age I thought I was invincible as well so hard for me to condemn.
My concern about opening schools is infecting the teachers, staff and vulnerable kids. I just can't see it lasting more than a month until 1 kid tests positive and then the whole school will have to shut down.
Everyone knows that is going to happen right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
When I was at that age I thought I was invincible as well so hard for me to condemn.
My concern about opening schools is infecting the teachers, staff and vulnerable kids. I just can't see it lasting more than a month until 1 kid tests positive and then the whole school will have to shut down.
Everyone knows that is going to happen right?
I am glad the people in charge of educating my kid in this area are not thinking like you are. You have no ****ing idea what you are talking about when you say shut down schools. You have no idea what domino effect that will have both short and long term. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
When I was at that age I thought I was invincible as well so hard for me to condemn.
My concern about opening schools is infecting the teachers, staff and vulnerable kids. I just can't see it lasting more than a month until 1 kid tests positive and then the whole school will have to shut down.
Everyone knows that is going to happen right?
I`m curious how many kids, especially teens, have already been exposed and had covid and were simply asymptomatic or had mild symptoms and waved it off as allergies or something? Just drove by a skate park and there must have been 50 kids all skate boarding and standing next to eachother.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
How many kids die each year from the flu? That’s apparently an acceptable number so let’s start there.
There are a lot of resources out of Europe and Asia where they’ve found kids are not vectors to adults at much of a high rate at all. Kids also aren’t at a high risk of this thankfully.
You’ve got teachers and staff that are more likely to get it from each other or at home than the kids and that’s the biggest issue.
As I posted yesterday, Florida has had 17k kids test positive so yes kids can get it very easily and they pass it just like adults. Now most of them don't get the worse effects but they will pass it on.
The problem comparing the USA to any other country is most countries have Covid in control, we are far from it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stumppy:
I edited my post to add CPDC.
Man, if that's what you've decided to believe then live with it. I'll just add that if you run across something that seems to wild to believe, it probably is.
Originally Posted by O.city:
How many kids die each year from the flu? That’s apparently an acceptable number so let’s start there.
During the 2018–2019 season, 136 deaths in children with laboratory–confirmed influenza virus infection were reported in the United States8. However, influenza-associated pediatric deaths are likely under-reported as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection may have been tested for influenza9,10. By combining data on hospitalization rates, influenza testing practices, and the frequency of death in and out of the hospital from death certificates, we estimate that there were approximately 480 deaths associated with influenza in children during 2018–2019. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
As I posted yesterday, Florida has had 17k kids test positive so yes kids can get it very easily and they pass it just like adults. Now most of them don't get the worse effects but they will pass it on.
The problem comparing the USA to any other country is most countries have Covid in control, we are far from it.
There are studies that discount this and he even referenced them in general but damn it you "know" it..... [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I am glad the people in charge of educating my kid in this area are not thinking like you are. You have no ****ing idea what you are talking about when you say shut down schools. You have no idea what domino effect that will have both short and long term.
Sure I do but this is what happens when you fail to control a virus\pandemic.
No one is even talking about what is going to happen here in about a month when mortgage and rent protection expires. We haven't seen the worst of this yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
No shit! And more kids die from the flu than have died from Covid. But there is always some fear some people are going to have to justify hiding.
Now, if I were in Dane's situation I probably wouldn't shove my kids off to school given they are actually taking it on the chin. Most of the country isn't and kids need to be in school.
Logistically it will be difficult to get them back in classes and with the school year coinciding with cold and flu season it will make things even harder , I can’t see having full year without some online or home school stuff at least part time , school sports and after school stuff will not be happening either which is just as important as the in class stuff. [Reply]
You are aware that SARS-CoV-2 is a contagious virus with an estimated R0 of 2.5, yes?
So about 26+ kids nationally have died with Covid........so we should close all schools? I guess we disagree. Maybe the kids should go to school and elderly teachers should wear masks or retire if they are worried. [Reply]
