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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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petegz28 10:25 AM 04-05-2020
Mo so far this morning; 8 new deaths, no new cases reported so far.....
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cdcox 10:26 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
So none of the models that were put forth have been correct yet. So that’s good in terms of non deaths

But what is the exit strategy here?
When new infections are down to a "relative" few, and we have adequate testing, contact tracking and isolation/quarantine capacity to isolate hot spots to quickly quell new infections, we can resume most activities. Probably 4 to 6 weeks? Still no sports, no concerts, or other large gatherings. See how it goes. If the cases start spiking again, we may have to go through cycles of lockdown (the sooner you start, the shorter it will be) until we have a vaccine.
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petegz28 10:26 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
If the initial models are wrong (it’s not that they were really wrong they didn’t have the correct parameters it seems) you’ve gotta make decisions on current data

We can’t stay locked up forever
I tend to agree. I think we can also agree that regardless of what decision is made and when, it will be 2nd and 3rd guessed by several people for several reasons.
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Donger 10:27 AM 04-05-2020
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist, says the US does not have the coronavirus under control, “to say we have it under control, Margaret, would be a false statement. We are struggling to get it under control.”

Fauci warned Americans in an interview on CBS with Margaret Brennan, that “it is going to be a bad week” ahead as there is an escalation in cases, but that “within a week or a little bit more” we should see the curve begin to flatten.
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O.city 10:29 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by cdcox:
When new infections are down to a "relative" few, and we have adequate testing, contact tracking and isolation/quarantine capacity to isolate hot spots to quickly quell new infections, we can resume most activities. Probably 4 to 6 weeks? Still no sports, no concerts, or other large gatherings. See how it goes. If the cases start spiking again, we may have to go through cycles of lockdown (the sooner you start, the shorter it will be) until we have a vaccine.
But the new infections may not be new, we may just be finding them with testing. Hospital rates and such just aren’t spiking like they were projected to.

You can’t tank the economy for that long
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PAChiefsGuy 10:29 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist, says the US does not have the coronavirus under control, “to say we have it under control, Margaret, would be a false statement. We are struggling to get it under control.”

Fauci warned Americans in an interview on CBS with Margaret Brennan, that “it is going to be a bad week” ahead as there is an escalation in cases, but that “within a week or a little bit more” we should see the curve begin to flatten.
We'll get there. Just going to take time.
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O.city 10:29 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I tend to agree. I think we can also agree that regardless of what decision is made and when, it will be 2nd and 3rd guessed by several people for several reasons.
That’s just part of being a decision maker
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cdcox 10:30 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That's my worry as well. I am afraid we are falling into the paralysis by analysis hole. We are going to be too scared to clear anything because even if the data is saying good things people are going to be worrying about the other shoe to drop, so to speak.

There are going to be people who want to further things for reasons other than health concerns.

There are going to be people who want to rush things for other than health concerns.

There are people who are going to say health concerns are so bad we need to stay shut down.

There are people who are going to say health concerns have improved enough to start getting back to normal.
Even when things open up, a lot of things are going to come down to individual choice. As one example, you open restaurants, a lot of people are going to avoid that for a while. The industry and all the people who work in it will be suffering for a while. Opening things up isn't going to be a panacea for the economy. The hangover will be long and there isn't anything anyone can do to change that.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 10:31 AM 04-05-2020
I know this is an anxious time, but the worst thing you can be right now is impatient. If I have a patient getting antibiotics for sepsis, I don't stop the antibiotics whenever their CRP and lactate levels start to drop. All I'm going to do in that case is cause a rebound infection and make things worse, because the therapies I previously used may not as be as effective and the patient will clinically worsen.

We don't just need to get to the peak: we need to get past the peak and then down the slope on the other side so as to avoid another peak that is as bad or worse than the first.
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petegz28 10:32 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist, says the US does not have the coronavirus under control, “to say we have it under control, Margaret, would be a false statement. We are struggling to get it under control.”

Fauci warned Americans in an interview on CBS with Margaret Brennan, that “it is going to be a bad week” ahead as there is an escalation in cases, but that “within a week or a little bit more” we should see the curve begin to flatten.
He also said this.....so just keep some objectivity

Originally Posted by :
Jan. Flashback: Dr. Fauci Said Coronavirus ‘is not a major threat to the people of the United States’

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petegz28 10:33 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by cdcox:
Even when things open up, a lot of things are going to come down to individual choice. As one example, you open restaurants, a lot of people are going to avoid that for a while. The industry and all the people who work in it will be suffering for a while. Opening things up isn't going to be a panacea for the economy. The hangover will be long and there isn't anything anyone can do to change that.
Maybe, a lot of people might also rush them because they have been locked down for 2 months as well...
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Pants 04-05-2020, 10:33 AM
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O.city 10:33 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
I know this is an anxious time, but the worst thing you can be right now is impatient. If I have a patient getting antibiotics for sepsis, I don't stop the antibiotics whenever their CRP and lactate levels start to drop. All I'm going to do in that case is cause a rebound infection and make things worse, because the therapies I previously used may not as be as effective and the patient will clinically worsen.

We don't just need to get to the peak: we need to get past the peak and then down the slope on the other side so as to avoid another peak that is as bad or worse than the first.
I just think we need to do more to figure out when and how much the actual peak is.

Maybe we’re already there?
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cdcox 10:34 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
But the new infections may not be new, we may just be finding them with testing. Hospital rates and such just aren’t spiking like they were projected to.

You can’t tank the economy for that long
Deaths will be going up for at least a couple of weeks yet. We're not going to open up the economy with 1000 people a day dying from this. The average person just won't buy into thinking it is a good idea.
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petegz28 10:35 AM 04-05-2020
And just FTR, I am not saying Dr. Fauci is wrong. I am saying he is human and has been wrong about this virus before. So we do need to listen to him but he isn't necessarily right by default either.
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cdcox 10:35 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by Pants:
Back to the "it came from a lab" claim.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...to-wuhan-labs/

Grain of salt.
Put it in DC, not here.
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