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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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KCrockaholic 09:33 PM 04-02-2020
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I agree a lot of people are overreacting. Acting like staying home is some type of torture. Really isn't that bad and it's for the good of the country
It's not torture, but I miss hanging out with my friends. Playing in my ping pong league every Tuesday. Watching sports with said friends. I had a concert date scheduled with someone that got canceled. The ability to see my parents in Colorado and actually have a good time without having to worry about things. Staying home is fine, but there's a lot of life being missed out on because of this.
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PAChiefsGuy 09:55 PM 04-02-2020
Originally Posted by KCrockaholic:
It's not torture, but I miss hanging out with my friends. Playing in my ping pong league every Tuesday. Watching sports with said friends. I had a concert date scheduled with someone that got canceled. The ability to see my parents in Colorado and actually have a good time without having to worry about things. Staying home is fine, but there's a lot of life being missed out on because of this.
Same here but if we were going out right now most of us would end up getting sick anyways. The health care system would collapse and most of our parents would die. Social distancing is the lesser of two evils by a long shot.
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KCrockaholic 10:06 PM 04-02-2020
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Same here but if we were going out right now most of us would end up getting sick anyways. The health care system would collapse and most of our parents would die. Social distancing is the lesser of two evils by a long shot.
I agree which is why I've been doing my part for 3 weeks now. It sucks, but I'm not complaining.
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BigRedChief 10:06 PM 04-02-2020

Growth in total confirmed #COVID19 cases as a percent of total population by country: U.S. versus Spain and Italy. (Indexed to days since the first 100 cases were confirmed in each country). U.S. is still early, but on slower relative trajectory when compared to Italy and Spain. pic.twitter.com/KBCxGN2apq

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) April 2, 2020

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Chief Pagan 10:57 PM 04-02-2020
Originally Posted by Strongside:
I was on paternity leave for 12 weeks this time last year.

Feels like Groundhog Day.
Not at all the same.

Last year you had TP, no?
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arrwheader 12:26 AM 04-03-2020
Thing I don't understand is this. So we shut everything down and social distance and everything but they are saying they aren't getting a vaccine likely until middle next year. So what we're all locked down till then? I'm staying home following the rules but I'm furloughed and know at least 5 people who have lost their jobs entirely. Including both my parents who don't know what they will do. I don't know or know of 1 person who's gotten it let alone died from it but I know the economic fall out has already taken it's toll and it's going to get worse.

Also at this point besides bars and concerts, sporting events etc. Most things are still open people are still going out there and you could argue stores are one the dirtiest places you could be right now since all of the population goes through them.

I mean at some point you have to let everyone go back to work otherwise you risk economic destruction to the point where recovering is very difficult and people lose everything and a lot of those people may have never gotten sick or recovered in the first place to save a few (by few i mean relative to the entire population). We're talking another great depression and what's worse people will still get sick on top of that.

Look I get it but until they get a vaccine they can't let everyone go back to work with out risking the spread ramping up again and it will happen if they re open with out one. We need to get back to work at some point, sure let's all buy some time for a few weeks but there needs to be a deadline, ok we did what we could, we bought some time but we also need to ensure we can survive this economically.

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AustinChief 01:03 AM 04-03-2020
Ok question for everybody...

Now that multiple reports are showing fatality rates for people under 50 to be equivalent to a bad flu season, what is the point in continued isolation of that demographic after our death rates plateau or start to fall?

Let's say we have already hit peak and the next few days we stay below 1000 deaths/day (this is not a prediction but a hypothetical). At what point do you ease restrictions on the extremely low risk people? We obviously can't shelter in place until a vaccine comes out. Do we wait until a treatment has been proven to be effective? Do we wait until a certain percentage of America has immunity? What is your metric?
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Chieftain 01:26 AM 04-03-2020
It's a very valid point you make. I feel as if this whole isolation period will only postpone the inevitable which is more infections and more death. The proper way to go about this from now on is to isolate only the senior population and people with disabilities and other health related issues. Make wearing masks mandatory to the general public and try to create herd immunity. Similar to what is happening in Sweden but with stricter measures. Close out the school year on a federal level. Have all schools reopen again in September.
As for sporting events, I think they should cancel the NBA and NHL seasons. Start baseball in mid-June or early-July. By then we will have a better picture of where we stand with the outbreak.
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Rasputin 01:30 AM 04-03-2020
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
Ok question for everybody...

Now that multiple reports are showing fatality rates for people under 50 to be equivalent to a bad flu season, what is the point in continued isolation of that demographic after our death rates plateau or start to fall?

Let's say we have already hit peak and the next few days we stay below 1000 deaths/day (this is not a prediction but a hypothetical). At what point do you ease restrictions on the extremely low risk people? We obviously can't shelter in place until a vaccine comes out. Do we wait until a treatment has been proven to be effective? Do we wait until a certain percentage of America has immunity? What is your metric?

I think it would help if the weather would warm up so that would kill it off a little quicker but this cold front came through and that keeps it going i think. i don't have any answers to know what to do but i don't think it's healthy to be cooped up for Americans. My problem is having COPD it could kill me but I'm willing to go about my normal activities I just want to go fishing but not in the cold.
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DRM08 01:38 AM 04-03-2020
Originally Posted by arrwheader:
Thing I don't understand is this. So we shut everything down and social distance and everything but they are saying they aren't getting a vaccine likely until middle next year. So what we're all locked down till then?
No way we stay locked down for that long. I think the goal now is to mass produce enough masks and ventilators that we can get back to normal pretty soon with everyone wearing masks until the vaccine is finalized.

The shutdown makes sense in the short term. It buys some time to beef up our supply of ventilators and masks for a larger population that will need treatment at some point.
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Demonpenz 02:09 AM 04-03-2020
I forgot the gym because I do manual labor so literally i am a professional weightlifter since that is my main skill. I go to sports games and concerts. I did comedy enough I can never see another comedian again. Bowling is getting killed. I guess church and church work is a big one. In my group of workers and friends we just play video games. I guess birds of a feather. I could see having a wife wanting to do wife shit as well. Most of these people bitching never leave st Joe or do anything. I go to casino and drive a lot. I cruise to kc and back a couple time a week to cruise.
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Demonpenz 02:11 AM 04-03-2020
I borrowed a video game from the library and now its not.duenuntil until June
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Pitt Gorilla 02:21 AM 04-03-2020
If everyone were truly isolating, the virus would be done. It’s literally that simple. But, people are too stupid and selfish to do what they’re supposed to do.
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AustinChief 02:39 AM 04-03-2020
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
If everyone were truly isolating, the virus would be done. It’s literally that simple. But, people are too stupid and selfish to do what they’re supposed to do.
Yes but only if everyone WORLDWIDE was.. and that's unrealistic. This virus is far too contagious to think it is going away completely without a vaccine. Our best bet before a vaccine is herd immunity. The problem there is that we really don't know what the current spread looks like. Is NYC so bad right now because they have millions infected that have yet to be tested? It's possible. Hell they could be at peak infection now but we won't know until after the fact.

My two biggest beefs have been that we should have been more serious about locking down the people most vulnerable and a lack of serology testing. Focusing so much on PCR testing was stupid and short sighted.

Today is the day we should see results from some of the first large scale studies of HCQ+AZ as a treatment. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll see any hard data for another week or more, which to me is inescusable. NY was supposed to start at least one study 10 days ago, the preliminary results should be made available.

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BWillie 03:10 AM 04-03-2020
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I agree a lot of people are overreacting. Acting like staying home is some type of torture. Really isn't that bad and it's for the good of the country
The staying home thing doesn't bother me much. The not having sports thing does.
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