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Nzoner's Game Room>Seahawks loved Mahomes so much they would have replaced Wilson
RunKC 04:09 PM 12-21-2018
If given the chance. Just think about this..

As Patrick Mahomes comes to Seattle, revisiting the rumors that the Seahawks wanted to draft him

The Seahawks have acknowledged they were heavily enamored with Mahomes' talents when he came out of Texas Tech. What might that alternate reality entail? Even if we’ll never know, we can always wonder.

By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter
In the middle of an answer this week to a question about Kansas City quarterback Patrick Mahomes — the favorite to be named the NFL’s MVP this season — Seattle coach Pete Carroll gave the most public confirmation yet to what is emerging as one of the more intriguing hypotheticals in team history.

Specifically, the story is the Seahawks were so seriously infatuated with Mahomes when he entered the draft out of Texas Tech in 2017 that they were thinking about taking him with the 26th pick if he had been available, even if quarterback would have been perceived as their position of least need.

Instead, the Chiefs — who play the Seahawks in Seattle Sunday night — traded two first-round picks to Buffalo to move up from 27 to 10 to grab Mahomes.

The next morning, Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network tweeted “If Patrick Mahomes was there for the Seahawks in late (round) 1 they would have really, really considered it.’’

Mahomes was one of the fastest-rising players in the draft and the thought as selection day approached was that he probably wouldn’t last to 26.

But that the Chiefs, a team many had taken Mahomes in mock drafts, were a spot behind Seattle in the draft and made a bold strike to move up to get him may only further reinforce the idea that he wasn’t going to get past 26 — and stranger things have happened then a marquee QB falling a few spots in the draft (remember Aaron Rodgers falling to 24 in 2005?)

“(Seahawks general manager) John (Schneider) was in love with him,’’ Carroll said of Mahomes. “He knew that he had something really special. He thought he was worthy of going up there in the very top of the draft. We were surprised that he made it to 10th by our evaluations.’’

With Mahomes off the board, the Seahawks eventually traded out of the first round, ultimately moving down to 35 where they took Michigan State defensive lineman Malik McDowell (yeah, about that), in the process acquiring picks in later rounds they used to draft safeties Delano Hill and Tedric Thompson, defensive back Mike Tyson (now with Houston) and running back Chris Carson.

The idea that Seahawks apparently would have considered drafting Mahomes drew more than a few raised eyebrows at the time.

Russell Wilson had signed his four-year $87.5 million extension — which runs through the 2019 season — barely two years earlier.

Were they really willing to spend a first-round pick on what would have been perceived as a likely little-to-be-used luxury item for at least three years?

What’s worth remembering is the context of the time.

Wilson was coming off a 2016 season that remains the roughest of his career, suffering three injuries that limited his ability to run and also helped result in a 92.6 passer rating, his lowest.

Wilson is the only quarterback the Seahawks have drafted since Schneider and Carroll took over in 2010, and his arrival in 2012 has given Seattle one of the best in the NFL at that position ever since.

But Wilson’s injuries that year and the lack of a proven backup led to a lot of conjecture going into that draft that maybe 2017 would again be the year the Seahawks would take a QB to beef up the overall depth at that spot, even if no one was thinking they would do so in the first round.

A quote Schneider gave a few days before the draft that year when asked about the QB spot is telling, as is remembering that he spent much of his pre-Seattle career in Green Bay, a franchise known for always making sure it was well-stocked at quarterback no matter who it had as its starter, even if usually doing so in the mid-to-later rounds (consider that during the time the Packers had Brett Favre as their starter among the QBs they drafted were Matt Hasselbeck — later traded to Seattle — and former Husky Mark Brunell, later traded to Jacksonville. Then there was the drafting of Rodgers, who sat behind Favre for three years).

“I’ve always thought you have to have one (quarterback) in the chamber, and have a guy who is getting ready,’’ Schneider said. “… that’s something that you want to do. The most important position on the field.’’

Seattle didn’t take a QB that year. But further evidence they were serious at the time about making sure they were better covered at the backup spot came when the Seahawks famously brought in Colin Kaepernick for a tryout a few weeks after the draft.

Kaepernick didn’t sign and Seattle shortly after signed Austin Davis. Still, in those spring months when Seattle might still have been a little queasy about Wilson’s health and not having a real proven backup, certainly not one who would really push Wilson for the job — Trevone Boykin was also on the roster at the time — it seems clear they were interested in exploring options (there’s always been a thought that if Seattle had a backup in 2016 more proven than Boykin that Wilson might well have sat for a few weeks as he dealt with ankle, knee and pectoral injuries).

As we now know, Seattle’s evaluation of Mahomes as a player worth making a significant investment on couldn’t have been more accurate — in his first season as a starter, Kansas City comes to town having scored the fifth-most points in NFL history through 14 games, 499.

Maybe even at that point, if the Seahawks thought a deal with Wilson would be difficult, it was Wilson they could have dangled, assured they were right about Mahomes, and going back to the formula that led the Carroll/Schneider era to its greatest years — a young quarterback on a rookie contract and lots of cap space.

Even if we’ll never know, we can always wonder.
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Ubeja Vontell 10:09 AM 05-14-2020
Wilson is an amazing QB, nobody in history has had a better first 8 seasons. Mahomes might surpass him however. But, Wilson did walk right in a take over.
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Mecca 10:17 AM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Sounds like bullshit until you follow this thread. Schneider was all over Mahomes in 2017 then Josh Allen in 2018 to the point where Wilson’s agent was questioning why they were sniffing around him.

Uh if that is true why would Cleveland have not taken that in a second?
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Grim 10:21 AM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Uh if that is true why would Cleveland have not taken that in a second?
It was the other way around, according to this article

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/b...with-seahawks/
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RunKC 10:48 AM 05-14-2020
Why would you ever discuss trading a QB like Wilson?

This is the problem with the “you won’t win when you have to pay your QB!” bullshit.

The Seahawks aren’t going to the championship game or super bowl anymore not bc of Wilson’s contract. It’s bc they have been total shit at drafting the last handful of years.
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ThaVirus 10:51 AM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Why would you ever discuss trading a QB like Wilson?

This is the problem with the “you won’t win when you have to pay your QB!” bullshit.

The Seahawks aren’t going to the championship game or super bowl anymore not bc of Wilson’s contract. It’s bc they have been total shit at drafting the last handful of years.
They should probably consider going ahead and unleashing him too. They fuck around playing Martyball for 3 1/2 quarters every Sunday and then rely on Wilson to pull some shit out of his ass in the final minutes.
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SuperChief 11:02 AM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
They should probably consider going ahead and unleashing him too. They **** around playing Martyball for 3 1/2 quarters every Sunday and then rely on Wilson to pull some shit out of his ass in the final minutes.
They do the exact opposite of what Reid/Veach have been doing - drafting D and trying to fill in on O with role players/FA acquisitions. Seems to have been . . . a not good strategy. Especially when you whiff on so many picks.
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Kiimo 11:03 AM 05-14-2020
Passing on Wilson for a backup tackle in the third round is my #1 Chiefs draft fuckup of all time.

Imagine passing on Russell Wilson because you don't want to make Matt Cassel uncomfortable.
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Rain Man 11:11 AM 05-14-2020
The Mahomes draft stories will eventually be like the Joe Montana draft stories. Every GM will talk about how much they loved him, and they were trying to pull the trigger, but they couldn't get Buffalo on the phone to trade up due to a bad cell phone connection or something.
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Jewish Rabbi 11:17 AM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
Passing on Wilson for a backup tackle in the third round is my #1 Chiefs draft fuckup of all time.

Imagine passing on Russell Wilson because you don't want to make Matt Cassel uncomfortable.
Except Mahomes will win more SB than Wilson, so fuck it.
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carcosa 11:33 AM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
Except Mahomes will win more SB than Wilson, so fuck it.
THAT'S RIGHT
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Kiimo 12:02 PM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
Except Mahomes will win more SB than Wilson, so **** it.
I'd absolutely rather have Mahomes but the correct decisions made after don't change the stupidity of the decision at the time.

Passing on Wilson because he wasn't tall enough is the stupidest decision in Chiefs history, even more than Blackledge. At least Blackledge was an attempt at a franchise QB, they just chose wrong.

Picking a backup right tackle who has already retired because you are too chicken shit a GM to admit you are wrong about Matt ****ing Cassel is unforgivable even if getting Mahomes turned out to be a better end result.

Imagine if Mahomes was available in the third round and the Chiefs say nope Alex will lead us and we don't want to spook him so they take Antonio Garcia who has already washed out of the league.
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Sofa King 12:05 PM 05-14-2020
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
I'd absolutely rather have Mahomes but the correct decisions made after don't change the stupidity of the decision at the time.

Passing on Wilson because he wasn't tall enough is the stupidest decision in Chiefs history, even more than Blackledge. At least Blackledge was an attempt at a franchise QB, they just chose wrong.

Picking a backup right tackle who has already retired because you are too chicken shit a GM to admit you are wrong about Matt ****ing Cassel is unforgivable even if getting Mahomes turned out to be a better end result.

Imagine if Mahomes was available in the third round and the Chiefs say nope Alex will lead us and we don't want to spook him so they take Antonio Garcia who has already washed out of the league.
No. This decision is not at all worse than Blackledge. It's just newer is all.
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Kiimo 12:41 PM 05-14-2020
You're not even disputing why. Just saying no.


They should have picked Marino but that is hindsight. At the time there were several people who thought Blackledge would be great. It's not like they took a guy who wasn't a good QB in college. They just chose wrong. That's not a bigger fuckup than taking a shit tackle over a clear talent at QB when your franchise desperately needs one.

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Blackledge was a three-year starter at Penn State, under Coach Joe Paterno, where he guided the Nittany Lions to a 31–5 record including a national championship in 1982.

Following the 1982 season, Blackledge won the Davey O'Brien Award for best quarterback in the nation. As a senior, Blackledge threw for 2218 yards with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions, while also rushing for three touchdowns.

Blackledge led the Nittany Lions to the national championship with a 27–23 victory over Georgia and Herschel Walker in the 1983 Sugar Bowl. Blackledge was the MVP of the game, throwing for 228 yards and a 4th-quarter 47-yard touchdown to Gregg Garrity.

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Megatron96 03:39 PM 05-14-2020
Think Cowherd was talking about this on his show this morning. Maybe it was yesterday. Listened to it on the drive home from work.

Seems crazy to think that SEA would have considered trading Russell given his performance as a starter. But Colin touched on how SEA was kind of down on Russell for a season (2016?) for whatever reason, but then for the last two he's been a top 5 QB.
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Redbled 04:42 PM 05-14-2020
Lived in WI when Wilson played there. Watched every game his last year. Really wanted the Chiefs to take him. Guy was and is special.
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