Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
ICU's are overflowing with covid patients, 95%+ unvaccinated, but, no this can't have anything to do with whether people are vaccinated or not.
Maybe if I think really hard I can find a scapegoat...
Covid is just like the flu and no big deal, masks and vaccines aren't needed, hospitals are inflating their numbers, and HCQ and Ivermectin are insta-cures.
But also illegals are spreading deadly disease that we should be very very terrified of. [Reply]
Peer reviewed study suggesting that the Polio vaccine may prevent or significantly reduce Covid-19 infection. This may explain why younger people while they may get Covid it is very mild for most.
If this is true then anyone who doesn't want the Covid vaccine could get the Polio vaccine since it is super safe and they mostly likely got as a child anyway.
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Second, we propose that these results help explain why there is an apparent age-dependent outcome following SARS-CoV-2 infection (1–3). There are many exceptions to this observation, as disease is seen in these younger age groups, but at a much lower incidence than the life-threatening disease often seen in adults (24, 25). While younger individuals may still possess immunity from childhood vaccinations, older adults can mount an adaptive immune response to SARS-CoV-2 following poliovirus re-immunization. Without IPV or OPV boosters, older adults may remain at higher risk of severe disease and mortality (2, 26, 27). This retrospective study provides a preliminary understanding of the role poliovirus vaccination has in inhibiting viral replication of SARS-CoV-2. We are currently conducting a larger clinical trial (NCT04639375) to provide deeper validation of the potential utility of the safe and effective poliovirus vaccine as a prophylactic measure against COVID-19 infection (28).
The poliovirus vaccine poses minimal risk. The World Health Organization recommends poliovirus vaccine boosters for adults traveling to high-risk zones of polio infection (31). In comparison to other vaccines that are currently being tested for COVID-19 prevention, poliovirus vaccines, both IPV and OPV, are readily available with prior pharmacological, toxicity, chemical, manufacturing, and control data. Possible risks have been studied for over 60 years and all processes have been well-documented and established. Given the current climate of vaccine hesitancy with the COVID-19 vaccine roll-out, and projected vaccine shortage across the globe, the results reported here suggest more attention should be given to a vaccine that 90% of the world's population received as children. While these data show proteins other than “spike” proteins, such as RdRp, may be suitable targets for immunity and vaccine development, IPV may also be used to complement the new Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) COVID-19 vaccines, to further boost immunity and enhance the population's health. The results described here could be strengthened by additional studies performed in multiple countries—including low-income countries—to explore any possible variation in CPE of sera, especially among countries that administer OPV, compared to those that utilize IPV for childhood vaccinations.
This retrospective serological study demonstrates poliovirus vaccination produces antibodies that inhibit RdRp function, thereby preventing viral replication that may cause disease progression in infected individuals. Based on these laboratory findings, we conclude polio-vaccinated individuals (children or adults who have recently been immunized with IPV) may have a high level of protection against COVID-19 that non-inoculated individuals do not have.
The truth is generally somewhere in between, but getting hung up on the drama of how someone says something doesn't make the problem less real or go away, nor does it provide any real solutions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
The truth is generally somewhere in between, but getting hung up on the drama of how someone says something doesn't make the problem less real or go away, nor does it provide any real solutions.
ICU’s in Dallas hospitals are overflowing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
ICU’s in Dallas hospitals are overflowing.
I wasn't disagreeing with the fact there's more sick people than beds.... FDE likes to read headlines or words like "overflowing" and then ironically completely dismiss it based on wording, instead of admitting the truth might be somewhere between his own idea of overflowing and everything being completely fine.
"Overflowing" might only be +5 or 10 beds in an ICU, but I see plenty of headlines that try to emphasize it to the point where if you didn't know any better, you would think there were hundreds of people needing ICU beds.
That +5 or 10 in each hospital around a large city is still a big fucking problem when hospitals are renting out additional space, flying in resources from other cities while flying patients to other cities, building ICUs in parking garages, etc.
But, FDE ignores all of that and stops by each morning to judge a word or person instead. [Reply]
Strange though, I thought that the entire medical community was in agreement.
The Federation of State Medical Boards’ Board of Directors released the following statement in response to a dramatic increase in the dissemination of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation and disinformation by physicians and other health care professionals on social media platforms, online and in the media: [Reply]
You fucks who think hospitals aren’t being pushed to the max right now don’t have family who work in healthcare. Staff have quit in mass numbers. Those left are working brutal shifts with an insane amount of PPE. My mom has had this virus twice from working COVID wards. We thought we were past this point, but here she is again - this time face timing her grandkids with mask bruises on her face because smallbrains think this is a hoax and that the vaccine is a microchip install.
You’re all too stupid to realize just how stupid you are. Ignorance is bliss, until someone unplugs your ventilator. [Reply]
I'm really wondering what the hell happens around here in a couple of months, because the two largest healthcare systems in the state (Dignity and Banner) are both requiring vaccines for everyone (even if you're remote) by November 1st.
If things get/stay bad, do they extend the date in a tone deaf "please stick around for a bit longer before we fire you for being unvaccinated" kind of way? I would guess most healthcare workers who aren't vaccinated would simply do it (and haven't for flimsy reasons, like being lazy or busy or even "won't do it until I have to"), but I could be totally wrong.
And there's plenty of office staff, etc; who make shit go that wouldn't necessarily care if all healthcare places mandate, as they would just find something else to do in another industry. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Demonpenz:
seems like a real cheese dick thing to do fighting against safety shit with covid but as long as you can sleep at night.
Wait, what?? No clue what you're saying but I'm guessing you misread my post?? [Reply]
Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan:
Wait, what?? No clue what you're saying but I'm guessing you misread my post??
I don't have a clue either. I just mean if you are actively fighting the vax it seems a bit retarded at this point. This shit is going to drag on forever. [Reply]