Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I did think that public policy should not be based on assuming an arrival of a vaccine at a certain date but that is quite a bit different than what you made up.
Originally Posted by O.city:
You’re right, I didn’t specify my stance very well.
The mutation lead to a change in kinetics and replication. It didn’t really lead to a change in binding induced antibodies but more so out ran them. Hence my kinetics terms.
I also don’t think I’d be throwing stones about “bad predictions” no matter which side you stand on.
No one has really gotten this right
This isn't about bad predictions.
I thought the vaccines would be better than they are and thought with natural immunity + vaccine immunity we would have very little transmission by now.
Obviously the vaccine immunity didn't add much to built up natural immunity...now top epidemiologists are saying we can't vax our way to herd immunity.
This is about fundamental ignorance of the vaccines themselves. Do you remember these propaganda commercials just a few months ago?
These were based on Fauci and Walensky's statements.
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
This isn't about bad predictions.
I thought the vaccines would be better than they are and thought with natural immunity + vaccine immunity we would have very little transmission by now.
Obviously the vaccine immunity didn't add much to built up natural immunity...now top epidemiologists are saying we can't vax our way to herd immunity.
This is about fundamental ignorance of the vaccines themselves. Do you remember these propaganda commercials just a few months ago?
These were based on Fauci and Walensky's statements.
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
This isn't about bad predictions.
I thought the vaccines would be better than they are and thought with natural immunity + vaccine immunity we would have very little transmission by now.
Obviously the vaccine immunity didn't add much to built up natural immunity...now top epidemiologists are saying we can't vax our way to herd immunity.
This is about fundamental ignorance of the vaccines themselves. Do you remember these propaganda commercials just a few months ago?
These were based on Fauci and Walensky's statements.
If you get jabbed you get your life back.
Yeah sorry man, I’m not sure where you’re getting what you’re getting but it’s not reality.
Vaccines are doing what they’re supposed to do.
There are more breakthroughs than we all hoped I would guess, but it’s still vastly limiting what it’s supposed to.
At this point, cases don’t matter and it’s keeping people out of hospitals. It’s time to realize that and move on [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
I did think that public policy should not be based on assuming an arrival of a vaccine at a certain date but that is quite a bit different than what you made up.
I didn't make anything up your words are there for everyone to see. And guess what at the time you posted that I believe you were correct that there hadn't been a successful coronavirus vaccine. But science changes, technology changes and we don't just have 1 successful covid vaccine we have over a half dozen or more.
In response to your post below this one if the original strain was the main one still circulating, we would be finished with this pandemic. We saw this in early spring when it was next to nothing with all the vaccines people were getting. Delta changed all that unfortunately. I am hoping that will be the last bad strain and we can get past this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
On this subject I would trust Fauci more than a salesman who thought the vaccines were given people the shingles virus.
You would think... but Fauci, to anyone one with a bit of common sense, no matter your beliefs, should recognize he has been a factual train wreck and yet is treated like a Deity by the press... [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah sorry man, I’m not sure where you’re getting what you’re getting but it’s not reality.
Vaccines are doing what they’re supposed to do.
There are more breakthroughs than we all hoped I would guess, but it’s still vastly limiting what it’s supposed to.
At this point, cases don’t matter and it’s keeping people out of hospitals. It’s time to realize that and move on
When you antibodies wane I assume the only way to produce more is to get exposed/infected causing you at least to test positive but will not necessarily developpe the disease(Covid in this case) , you can correct me on this, there might be more to it than that but if it is sort of like this you are going to have reinfections/breakthrough(if you can call them that at that point) as time goes on . [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I can easily see through the BS but they do give me a good chuckle.
Most of the millionaires I know are excellent in sales.
I was the #1 salesperson at a publicly traded company 15 years ago.
But as far as now, I help companies increase their sales and revenues not by sales techniques but it all about a combination of
*Targeted In-Market Advertising-Don't advertise to people not looking for your product but instead only to people actively in-market for you company's services. This sounds obvious but right now most businesses are not doing this.
*Powerful Offer to that Market-Find out what your customer value is and how much you spend to acquire a customer and then do this.
*Marketing Automated Follow Up. This includes email sequences, SMS marketing, CRM, etc
Real businesses make far more money and I get a nice piece of it.
Nothing wrong with selling cars either. They don't actually sell themselves. Only people not in business think they would. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
When you antibodies wane I assume the only way to produce more is to get exposed/infected causing you at least to test positive but will not necessarily developpe the disease(Covid in this case) , you can correct me on this, there might be more to it than that but if it is sort of like this you are going to have reinfections/breakthrough(if you can call them that at that point) as time goes on .
Using antibodies as the sole determining factor in anything just doesn’t make sense to me. Antibodies always wane, they don’t stick around forever nor do we want them to. [Reply]
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
You would think... but Fauci, to anyone one with a bit of common sense, no matter your beliefs, should recognize he has been a factual train wreck and yet is treated like a Deity by the press...
You make it sound like epidemiology/virology in regards to a new virus should be easier to navigate while also dealing with the political aspects at the same time.
I don't consider educated guesses as facts , but like I said before I haven't really followed much of what he has said . [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I didn't make anything up your words are there for everyone to see. And guess what at the time you posted that I believe you were correct that there hadn't been a successful coronavirus vaccine. But science changes, technology changes and we don't just have 1 successful covid vaccine we have over a half dozen or more.
In response to your post below this one if the original strain was the main one still circulating, we would be finished with this pandemic. We saw this in early spring when it was next to nothing with all the vaccines people were getting. Delta changed all that unfortunately. I am hoping that will be the last bad strain and we can get past this.
I hope so. I do get nervous that another round of boosters will cause the virus to select for an even more nasty strain when normally viruses tend to adapt by becoming less dangerous to their host.
It's a race between natural building immunity and the experimental vaccine program. Hopefully the guys at the top catch a lucky break because I am not convinced they know what they are doing. [Reply]
