Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Lzen:
That was also part of my thinking. I have known a lot of people who got vaccinated and have had no lasting side effects. Admittedly, that made it easier for me to decide to get vaccinated. Could it cause issues months or years down the road? Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't really know. But then again, the long lasting effects of Covid could do that, as well. There is just a lot that we don't know right now. I made a decision that my best odds were to get this vaccine.
Though I've been very pro vaccine from the beginning, this is a perfectly reasonable take. It's healthy to be skeptical of any medical treatment. If anything, my frustration just comes from the fact that most people tend to trust their doctors with whatever drugs they prescribe normally, and it's a puzzle to me why this one is so different.
But all it really comes down to for me is that I am nowhere near educated enough in biology and epidemiology to make any reasonable conclusions about this, so I trust the experts (and, no, I'm not talking about Fauci). The CDC employs over 10k people. The FDA employs nearly 15k. The WHO employs around 7k people across ~150 countries. There are countless agencies across the world who are working on this. I have a master's degree in business, which means that I'm qualified to interpret roughly jack shit about this.
Now, does that mean that the hive mind of experts always gets everything perfectly right? No, of course not. The whole point of science is to make an assessment based on the information we have available, then revise that assessment based on any new information that we get. I don't expect every recommendation to be 100% right. But I do expect that their recommendations are based on a much more sound assessment than I can do myself, and on the whole, we're far better off trusting those agencies than just ignoring everything they say.
Is it possible there could be some more effects in the long term? I haven't see anything to suggest that's likely, but sure, you never know. But the army of epidemiologists around the world have definitively concluded that the best way out of this pandemic is through vaccines, and that's good enough for me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lzen:
That was also part of my thinking. I have known a lot of people who got vaccinated and have had no lasting side effects. Admittedly, that made it easier for me to decide to get vaccinated. Could it cause issues months or years down the road? Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't really know. But then again, the long lasting effects of Covid could do that, as well. There is just a lot that we don't know right now. I made a decision that my best odds were to get this vaccine.
Vaccine have no real history of causing long term effect, disease on the other hand has quite a track record in causing long term , life altering side effects. [Reply]
Math is beautiful but often hard and sometimes counterintuitive. No wonder antivaxxers don’t get it.
But the bottom line is this: these Covid vaccines are amazing life-saving miracle drugs, without which the world would have been proper ****ed by now. pic.twitter.com/CHEGPQos4Q
Originally Posted by MIAdragon:
The GF who’s wildly healthy is JUST starting to feel better. She wasn’t never had to go to the ER but was bed ridden for almost a week.
Hopefully you moved the bed into the kitchen. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
People here are completely ignoring it - customers, employees, whatever.
Stopped at QT this morning, no one wearing a mask including employees.
Same at the dealership when I dropped my car off for service.
About 50/50 in the grocery store for customers, all employees are wearing.
There's no realistic way to enforce it and people are doing whatever the fuck they want.
We're never gonna get past this.
Mask mandates aren’t gonna get us past this. They need to stop with that. COVID is here to stay. Get vaccinated or get sick, and let’s move on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
People here are completely ignoring it - customers, employees, whatever.
Stopped at QT this morning, no one wearing a mask including employees.
Same at the dealership when I dropped my car off for service.
About 50/50 in the grocery store for customers, all employees are wearing.
There's no realistic way to enforce it and people are doing whatever the **** they want.
We're never gonna get past this.
Sure we will. But it's probably going to take a few years until the virus mutates itself down to "just another common cold coronavirus". There's unmitigated spread all over the world.
Just need everyone to get vaccinated. Then we ride it out. [Reply]
