Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
You're purposefully disregarding my point.
Pot, meet kettle.
That's the point. Without the Hall of Fame QB, Bill Walsh is a pumpkin.
What happened when I said Mahomes made Andy?
Rabid fanboy squee at the suggestion of such "blasphemy".
The clear point of contention here is that you, and the rest of the Stans, believe that those Eagles teams were not championship caliber teams, despite reaching 5vstraight NFCCG and being favored in 4 of them.
I disagree, and believe it took a Unicorn named Patrick Mahomes to overcome Andy's warts and get him some title wins.
He's had to be a superhero literally every time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
What happened when I said Mahomes made Andy?
Rabid fanboy squee at the suggestion of such "blasphemy".
The clear point of contention here is that you, and the rest of the Stans, believe that those Eagles teams were not championship caliber teams, despite reaching 5vstraight NFCCG and being favored in 4 of them.
I disagree, and believe it took a Unicorn named Patrick Mahomes to overcome Andy's warts and get him some title wins.
He's had to be a superhero literally every time.
We're not changing the subject.
How good of a coach is Walsh without Montana/Young? Noll without Bradshaw? Cowher without Roethlisberger? Sean Payton without Brees?
You've already admitted Belichick is a fraud without Brady. Now do it for the rest of them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
We're not changing the subject.
How good of a coach is Walsh without Montana/Young? Noll without Bradshaw? Cowher without Roethlisberger? Sean Payton without Brees?
You've already admitted Belichick is a fraud without Brady. Now do it for the rest of them.
You want me to say Andy is a fraud without Mahomes?
I wouldn't go so far as fraud, but definitely couldn't win the big one. Lot of pant shitting with those Eagles teams.
11-13 record. Is that good? Just so you know, im operating under the understanding that usually the larger number should be on the left for best results. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
You want me to say Andy is a fraud without Mahomes?
I wouldn't go so far as fraud, but definitely couldn't win the big one. Lot of pant shitting with those Eagles teams.
11-13 record. Is that good? Just so you know, im operating under the understanding that usually the larger number should be on the left for best results.
Cool, as long as you understand that makes Andy Reid a Top 3 coach of all time, then we're all gravy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
I'd like to hear more about just how bad Joe Gibbs was.
Two of his Super Bowl wins were in strike-shortened seasons.
And there is no need to debate that his success was the product of coaching in an era without a salary cap when you could win with an ultra-talented team around a non-elite QB.
Why is there no debate?
Because when he returned and coached in the salary cap-era his record was 31-36 and 1-2 in the playoffs.
Are you seriously arguing that Joe Gibbs was a better HC than Andy? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Fun fact… Bill Walsh was 6-19 before Joe Montana became his full time starting QB and won exactly zero career playoff games without Joe Montana or Steve Young… both in the HOF… as his QB.
Another fun fact… Joe Gibbs won two of his Super Bowls during strike shortened seasons.
And another fun fact… Vince Lombardi won exactly zero career postseason games without Bart Starr… in the HOF… as his QB.
Let’s see a certain Anti-Andy Reid Reerun try to defend those “random” fun facts.
Don’t bring up those other coaches. It creates an awkwardness and something about statistical top five passer and Doug Pederson comparisons. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
You want me to say Andy is a fraud without Mahomes?
I wouldn't go so far as fraud, but definitely couldn't win the big one. Lot of pant shitting with those Eagles teams.
11-13 record. Is that good? Just so you know, im operating under the understanding that usually the larger number should be on the left for best results.
Those 11 wins include more postseason wins with a non-HOF caliber QB than Lombardi + Walsh combined. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Tapout accepted, I knew you wouldn't be in the discussion long. You rarely are.
Bye now.
Oh, this isn't goodbye. You wish it was goodbye. The only thing that's changed is I'm no longer buying your bullshit of "MY OPINION IS NUANCED AND U NO READ GOOD". You hate Andy. Plain and simple. I've given you plenty of chances to show otherwise, and you take each opportunity as another moment to keep talking like another braindead Eagles fan.
So that's what you get. Troll posts. If that's something you don't want in your CP experience, I strongly advise you put me on ignore.
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Had Lombardi not died so early of cancer, I think he would have led the Redskins to similar success.
The guy is the GOAT and it his name on the trophy everyone is after.
1b is Walsh. Created his own offense down to perfection and won 3 superbowls with it.
Gibbs 3 titles with 3 different qbs is a massive achievement also.
It's strange how Lombardis massive success is just handwaved away. I guess it's similar to the MJ always considered the GOAT over a guy like Bill Russel that had double the championships.
Anyone picking Andy Reid over Lombardi, Walsh, or Gibbs is simply stricken with homer bias.
