Originally Posted by RunKC:
The Eagles should thank Andy for them winning a Super Bowl. Foles was drafted by Andy. Pederson was brought up under Andy.
Andy Reid even gave Rosman info to draft Jalen Hurts.
Andy never had his star QB and that’s the difference. This year more than proves that theory with how the offense played.
It goes deeper than that. Foles was burned out on football and was going to retire and Reid convinced him to give it one more ride as the backup in KC. Pretty sure Foles has said he wouldn't have stayed in football to win that SB if not for the year in KC because it made playing football fun for him again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia:
He's lucky the Eagles defense played out of their minds that year or the SB with Foles wouldn't have been possible. imo
How about this past season?
Is Andy lucky Spags and the defense played out of their minds? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFag88:
Fun fact… Bill Walsh was 6-19 before Joe Montana became his full time starting QB and won exactly zero career playoff games without Joe Montana or Steve Young… both in the HOF… as his QB.
Your point, please?
Another fun fact… Joe Gibbs won two of his Super Bowls during strike shortened seasons.
And? What? Is it your contention that if the season were longer, Gibbs wouldn't have made the playoffs? Were the playoffs shortened? Was it still a gauntlet of win or go home games?
Hey guys, Joe Gibbs sucks actually. Lmao. Yes.
And another fun fact… Vince Lombardi won exactly zero career postseason games without Bart Starr… in the HOF… as his QB.
Yeah Lombardi's ONLY contribution to the sport was his win/loss record. Now, the guy that got his name on that Superbowl Trophy....gosh what was that darn thing called.......
Let’s see a certain Anti-Andy Reid Reerun try to defend those “random” fun facts.
How about let's see you get a ****ing literate person to read what you're responding to, before I interact with you again.
Jesus Christ there you go with the anti-Andy shit.
Spoiler alert, you can address a coach's weaknesses without needing pure hatred to do so.
Well, maybe you and SNR and the other mouth breathers can't. But really. Discussion can be had on why his record is what it is, and how it drastically turned around, without some ulterior motive wanting him fired.
Hopefully you're just intentionally obtuse, but I'm more inclined to believe you're just a ****ing idiot.
Most points I've made have flown over your head and landed about 100 yards from you. You're a clown. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
And then missed the playoffs entirely with Trevor Lawrence this last year.
The Nick Foles SB win over Tom Brady is looking more and more like a total fluke, and Doug Pederson looks very pedestrian, even with a star QB.
But what if......
Wait for it now.......
What if........
Doug Pederson had Patrick Mahomes? Would he have success?
Or are you really trying to compare Sunshine to the GOAT?
The entire point, which once again has eluded everyone, is that I firmly believe that Patrick Mahomes is so ****ing good, he would change the fortunes of ANY halfway competent offensive coach.
Andy: 45% win rate prior, 83% win rate after. It's not a fucking coincidence, and Andy sure as hell didn't change his stripes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
How about let's see you get a ****ing literate person to read what you're responding to, before I interact with you again.
Jesus Christ there you go with the anti-Andy shit.
Spoiler alert, you can address a coach's weaknesses without needing pure hatred to do so.
Well, maybe you and SNR and the other mouth breathers can't. But really. Discussion can be had on why his record is what it is, and how it drastically turned around, without some ulterior motive wanting him fired.
Hopefully you're just intentionally obtuse, but I'm more inclined to believe you're just a ****ing idiot.
Most points I've made have flown over your head and landed about 100 yards from you. You're a clown.
You are here criticizing Andy for not winning in the postseason without Mahomes as his QB… yet the HC’s you rank as the best of all time didn’t win in the postseason without HOF QB’s.
How many postseason wins does Lombardi and Walsh have without HOF QB’s?
Spoiler alert… Andy has more postseason wins without a HOF-caliber QB than those two… COMBINED.
And freaking Joe Gibbs beating up on replacement players during strike-shortened seasons… that impresses you?
Originally Posted by :
Fun fact… Bill Walsh was 6-19 before Joe Montana became his full time starting QB and won exactly zero career playoff games without Joe Montana or Steve Young… both in the HOF… as his QB.
Your point, please?
A. Bill Walsh was just as much of a loser, in fact MORE of a loser, without Joe Montana or Steve Young as Andy Reid was without Patrick Mahomes.
B. Bill Walsh is considered to be one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Therefore...
C. Andy Reid should also be considered one of the greatest coaches of all time.
And you can replace Bill Walsh with Belichick and Montana with Brady, or any Head Coach/QB Combo in there, and it pretty much comes out the same way. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
A. Bill Walsh was just as much of a loser, in fact MORE of a loser, without Joe Montana or Steve Young as Andy Reid was without Patrick Mahomes.
B. Bill Walsh is considered to be one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Therefore...
C. Andy Reid should also be considered one of the greatest coaches of all time.
And you can replace Bill Walsh with Belichick and Montana with Brady, or any Head Coach/QB Combo in there, and it pretty much comes out the same way.
Do you believe Bill Walsh was considered one of the greatest coaches of all time simply because if his win loss record?
Hint: say no.
It's quite possible....and I'm just really reaching for whatever shit might stick to the wall on this one let me tell you, but I'm inclined to believe Walshs status is what it is because he created the west coast offense.
We saw what he was able to do with that kid picked in the 3rd round out of Notre Dame and the Superbowls, but Bill Walsh was more than a w/l record. He created his own offensive scheme and won 3 superbowls, one of which he absolutely humiliated Don Shula and Dan Marino with his dime defense, daring Shula to beat him with the run. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
It goes deeper than that. Foles was burned out on football and was going to retire and Reid convinced him to give it one more ride as the backup in KC. Pretty sure Foles has said he wouldn't have stayed in football to win that SB if not for the year in KC because it made playing football fun for him again.
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
And yet, Bill Belichick managed to win 6 with Brady while doing absolutely **** all before and after Brady. He's a career turd without TB12. Unless you really do believe that Bill Belichick is some great coach, which at this point I wouldn't put past you.
Do keep in mind though, that absolute legend, this dynasty creator Bill Belichick, didn't get a coaching job for next sessin. That's how great that turd is.
As much as I'd love to know for sure you're right and experience a Marvel "What If?" scenario, it's irrelevant. Andy isn't going anywhere for 15s prime.
Why would he?
That would be dumber than surrendering one of your two challenges and a timeout on a ball spot beef in the first quarter of an AFC title game.
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Do you believe Bill Walsh was considered one of the greatest coaches of all time simply because if his win loss record?
Hint: say no.
It's quite possible....and I'm just really reaching for whatever shit might stick to the wall on this one let me tell you, but I'm inclined to believe Walshs status is what it is because he created the west coast offense.
We saw what he was able to do with that kid picked in the 3rd round out of Notre Dame and the Superbowls, but Bill Walsh was more than a w/l record. He created his own offensive scheme and won 3 superbowls, one of which he absolutely humiliated Don Shula and Dan Marino with his dime defense, daring Shula to beat him with the run.
You're purposefully disregarding my point.
Bill Walsh did all of those things, yes. However, when Bill Walsh didn't have Montana or Young under center, he looked like a mediocre coach.
His QB's made him look good. He never would've won those Super Bowls and used his dime defense against the Dolphins without Joe Montana.
That's the point. Without the Hall of Fame QB, Bill Walsh is a pumpkin. [Reply]
Legendary QBs plus good coaches equals Dynastys. Great QBs plus mediocre coaches equal some one off wins. Good coaches plus mediocre QBs equal playoff losses.
Webcrawler why can't you simply understand this? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Do you believe Bill Walsh was considered one of the greatest coaches of all time simply because if his win loss record?
Hint: say no.
It's quite possible....and I'm just really reaching for whatever shit might stick to the wall on this one let me tell you, but I'm inclined to believe Walshs status is what it is because he created the west coast offense.
We saw what he was able to do with that kid picked in the 3rd round out of Notre Dame and the Superbowls, but Bill Walsh was more than a w/l record. He created his own offensive scheme and won 3 superbowls, one of which he absolutely humiliated Don Shula and Dan Marino with his dime defense, daring Shula to beat him with the run.
Actually Paul Brown created the origins of the West Coast Offense… so you fail again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Do you believe Bill Walsh was considered one of the greatest coaches of all time simply because if his win loss record?
Hint: say no.
It's quite possible....and I'm just really reaching for whatever shit might stick to the wall on this one let me tell you, but I'm inclined to believe Walshs status is what it is because he created the west coast offense.
We saw what he was able to do with that kid picked in the 3rd round out of Notre Dame and the Superbowls, but Bill Walsh was more than a w/l record. He created his own offensive scheme and won 3 superbowls, one of which he absolutely humiliated Don Shula and Dan Marino with his dime defense, daring Shula to beat him with the run.
You didn't answer the question. How was he without a HOF QB? [Reply]
