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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Potential 1st round Targets
staylor26 03:29 PM 02-13-2024
WR:

Troy Franklin, Oregon
Adonai Mitchell, Texas
Xavier Worthy, Texas
Ladd McConkey, Georgia

OT:

Tyler Guyton, Oklahoma
Kingsley Suamataia, BYU
Jordan Morgan, Arizona

CB:

Kool-Aid McKinstry, Alabama


Typically, we draft a guy from this list every year that I've been doing it.

Anybody you guys feel should/shouldn't be on there?
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staylor26 12:45 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah - ultimately my hope is that a little extra depth at the 'top end' of the OT class along with maybe a little more depth at the top end of QB and WR pushes that dividing line down a little more than usual.

If there are 10 blue chippers when there are ordinarily only 5 and there's a lot of depth at other key positions of need, that line could get pushed so that someone like Harrison (who actually sucked last season) goes at 32 instead of 28.

And you hope you hit rather than have him struggle all season like Anton did.

I do think that Guyton has a better tool set than Harrison did, FYI. And he's similarly 'ranked' within this OT class. So I don't think it's beyond consideration that he may slide just a little further than Harrison despite being a little better prospect.
I think Guyton gets to trade up range, but he won't fall to 32.

If we're counting on a LT falling into our lap, it's Kingsley.

Even he might require a small trade up in front of the 49ers (which would be hilarious).
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Couch-Potato 12:54 PM 02-16-2024
Here's the thing though, the Chiefs are a pretty good team for developing linemen. Look at Trey Smith as an example. We're also positioned well to let an OT develop for a year, similar to FAU, although fans wouldn't be happy. Taylor, Morris, Niang, and probably a returning Smith give us that luxury. Nothing more important than protecting Pat.
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Oxford 01:14 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Here's the thing though, the Chiefs are a pretty good team for developing linemen. Look at Trey Smith as an example. We're also positioned well to let an OT develop for a year, similar to FAU, although fans wouldn't be happy. Taylor, Morris, Niang, and probably a returning Smith give us that luxury. Nothing more important than protecting Pat.
Man, OT's are so hard to come by that most clubs don't let them go unless they are used up or just bad. Gotta think BV is trolling for them as we speak. I would bet that a vet looking for a ring would be a possibility but more likely its someone from off the radar that they can put on the PS. Maybe an college TE that can't catch passes but has movement skills and blocking that can position switch?
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bsp4444 02:05 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by Mecca:
We are literally here at LT..

Bring back Don Smith
Start Wanya Morris
or 1st round OT

That's it.
Or move Taylor back to LT and find a RT (either already on the team or in the draft)
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O.city 02:31 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I think Guyton gets to trade up range, but he won't fall to 32.

If we're counting on a LT falling into our lap, it's Kingsley.

Even he might require a small trade up in front of the 49ers (which would be hilarious).
I just donít think we have the ammo for a trade up
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Mecca 02:44 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Here's the thing though, the Chiefs are a pretty good team for developing linemen. Look at Trey Smith as an example. We're also positioned well to let an OT develop for a year, similar to FAU, although fans wouldn't be happy. Taylor, Morris, Niang, and probably a returning Smith give us that luxury. Nothing more important than protecting Pat.
Trey Smith isn't a good example, he's a 2nd day pick without his blood clot issue and taking a guard in round 2 or 3 means you think he can start immediately.
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Oxford 03:16 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
I just donít think we have the ammo for a trade up
That's the problem. How to allocate 5 draft picks? If you look at Donovan Smiths performance, its unreasonable to think that he will be better next year, at best the same. Wanya Morris has upside and is signed. You can't get out of JaWaan Taylor's deal until 2025 and is he as good as what you might find in FA for LT/RT? If the tackles fall down the board this may change, but I'm thinking a developmental OT in 3 or 4. Knowing Veach he's prombably looking in the 1AA area for a sleeper
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staylor26 03:49 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
I just don’t think we have the ammo for a trade up
We're talking about trading up 2-3 spots.

They could use a pick next year to do that. If you think Kingsley is the long term answer at LT, you do it without hesitation.
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kccrow 03:49 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
I just donít think we have the ammo for a trade up
There is always ammo. If you have a guy that falls to 15-16 in the draft that you feel is a franchise LT and a team is willing to take your first this year and next, then you go get that player IMO. I have no issues with spending 2 low firsts on pillar positions.
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DJ's left nut 04:06 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by kccrow:
There is always ammo. If you have a guy that falls to 15-16 in the draft that you feel is a franchise LT and a team is willing to take your first this year and next, then you go get that player IMO. I have no issues with spending 2 low firsts on pillar positions.
I think you and I danced around a similar analysis at LT last season. You got to "Mid 20s is the latest you can find starters" and I think I got to "10 is about as late as you're likely to find SAFE starters..."

I hated the idea of a trade up to 16. I didn't see a notable drop-off from about 10 to 40.

I just can't see myself being willing to use two 1st round picks on the 4th best OT in this class and that's likely what you're looking at in the mid-1st, no? Alt? Sure. Fashanu, yup. But man, then you're looking at probably Latham and Fuaga, right? Am I happy giving up 2 first rounders for either of those? Certainly not Latham (don't think he has the feet for this system). Maybe Fuaga. If I were pretty confident that Mims could make the transition to LT maybe, but that's still a little scary given his inexperience. And then you're in the Fautanu/Guyton range and there's no way I'm giving up that much for those guys.

I'd have to sell myself on Latham's feet, Fuaga's length or Mim's inexperience and man that's a tough sell for that kind of draft capital.
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kccrow 05:00 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think you and I danced around a similar analysis at LT last season. You got to "Mid 20s is the latest you can find starters" and I think I got to "10 is about as late as you're likely to find SAFE starters..."

I hated the idea of a trade up to 16. I didn't see a notable drop-off from about 10 to 40.

I just can't see myself being willing to use two 1st round picks on the 4th best OT in this class and that's likely what you're looking at in the mid-1st, no? Alt? Sure. Fashanu, yup. But man, then you're looking at probably Latham and Fuaga, right? Am I happy giving up 2 first rounders for either of those? Certainly not Latham (don't think he has the feet for this system). Maybe Fuaga. If I were pretty confident that Mims could make the transition to LT maybe, but that's still a little scary given his inexperience. And then you're in the Fautanu/Guyton range and there's no way I'm giving up that much for those guys.

I'd have to sell myself on Latham's feet, Fuaga's length or Mim's inexperience and man that's a tough sell for that kind of draft capital.
Latham is a pure RT. so no. Fuaga is also a RT. No. Mims is just raw clay. No, I wouldn't go that high for him. I like Guyton in a move to LT and far more than most. I might go get him. A little left to be answered there yet for me. I definitely don't think he's near there for us though, its more a question of going up that high for him. Suamataia I'd go up a bit for him maybe to 22. He isn't there when we pick IMO. I'm working on my 2.0 mock, so you'll get a projection of where I'm feeling things right now.
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DJ's left nut 08:04 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Latham is a pure RT. so no. Fuaga is also a RT. No. Mims is just raw clay. No, I wouldn't go that high for him. I like Guyton in a move to LT and far more than most. I might go get him. A little left to be answered there yet for me. I definitely don't think he's near there for us though, its more a question of going up that high for him. Suamataia I'd go up a bit for him maybe to 22. He isn't there when we pick IMO. I'm working on my 2.0 mock, so you'll get a projection of where I'm feeling things right now.
Wow.

No way. I'm just not that hard up for a guy like Suamataia. Again, now we're at like the 6th best OT.

I'll spin the wheel and take my chances. Because if OTs get blasted like that, someone else is going to slide. 30 guys can't go top 20.
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staylor26 08:32 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Wow.

No way. I'm just not that hard up for a guy like Suamataia. Again, now we're at like the 6th best OT.

I'll spin the wheel and take my chances. Because if OTs get blasted like that, someone else is going to slide. 30 guys can't go top 20.
Exactly. Whether it's OT or WR, an unexpected run (in terms of quantity) should only lead to an unexpected player falling into our range at the very least (see McDuffie).
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kccrow 10:21 PM 02-16-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Wow.

No way. I'm just not that hard up for a guy like Suamataia. Again, now we're at like the 6th best OT.

I'll spin the wheel and take my chances. Because if OTs get blasted like that, someone else is going to slide. 30 guys can't go top 20.
There's only basically 4 first round quality LTs in this draft. If anyone slips it's going to be RTs or extremely raw guys. I have Mims on my radar more than I do guys like Guyton or Suamataia being there at this point.
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JPH83 12:28 AM 02-17-2024
Originally Posted by kccrow:
There's only basically 4 first round quality LTs in this draft. If anyone slips it's going to be RTs or extremely raw guys. I have Mims on my radar more than I do guys like Guyton or Suamataia being there at this point.
This is again why I'm barely entertaining OT in R1. I think what'll be left will be incredibly raw. I think whatll be left at WR is a day 1 starter and contributor. I think we fix the hole that we can imo.
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