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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>Are you going to take the vaccine?
GloryDayz 08:48 AM 12-01-2020
I know I'm going to try to be first in line, but what about the rest of you? I'm not sure if the death count is where the science community wants it to be, plus Birdbrain hasn't been sworn in, so I expect there will be delays, but that's beside the point.

You can be honest.
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BlackOp 08:04 PM 09-25-2021
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:

What laughable excuse are you going to apply to Vermont? “High population density” like you claimed in San Francisco? :-)
Donger is the Baghdad Bob of Covid Inc.....

He could be in the ICU with a bleeding brain...and still be blaming it on a bad bowl of chili.
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RaidersOftheCellar 08:37 PM 09-25-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:


No signs of ADE anywhere. In fact, the opposite!
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MahomesMagic 06:12 AM 09-26-2021
Thursday, 23 September 2021
A comparison of age adjusted all-cause mortality rates in England between vaccinated and unvaccinated

Norman Fenton and Martin Neil

The UK Government's own data does not support the claims made for vaccine effectiveness/safety.

In a previous post we argued that the most reliable long-term measure of Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness/safety is the age adjusted all-cause mortality rate. If, over a reasonably prolonged period, fewer vaccinated people die, from whatever cause, including Covid-19, than unvaccinated people then we could conclude that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks. We also pointed out that, to avoid the confounding effect of age, it is critical that data for each age category is available, rather than the aggregated data because, clearly, aggregated data might exaggerate vaccine mortality rates if more older people, with shorter expected mortality, are included. The UK roll out of the vaccine was executed in descending age order, from older to younger, except very early on in the vaccination programme when the vulnerable young were vaccinated along with the very elderly. As the programme progressed those vaccinated were, on average, older than those who remained unvaccinated and as the roll out proceeded a progressively higher proportion of the residual unvaccinated population are younger.

The latest Office for National Statistics report on mortality rates by Covid vaccination status provides data on all deaths – Covid related and non-Covid related for the period Jan-July 2021 for the unvaccinated and the different categories of vaccinated ('within 21 days of first dose', '21 days or more after first dose', 'second dose'). The ONS data for Covid-19 mortality, is given in Table 4 of the ONS spreadsheet and the ONS data for all-cause mortality excluding Covid-19, is given in Table 5 of the same spreadsheet. Both tables are reproduced at the bottom of this post.

We believe there are severe weaknesses and possible errors in the ONS data (see foonote**). But importantly, while it does not provide the raw age categorized data, it does provide "age standardized" mortality rates*** (also see explanatory video). This means the ONS have calculated the overall mortality rate in a way which (they believe) adjusts for the confounding effect of age, and this is ‘baked into’ the mortality rates they have published. However, while they report this age adjusted mortality rate for each of the three separate categories of vaccinated people they do not report it for the combined set of vaccinated people. In our analysis, and in the absence of the actual age stratified data, we compute a population weighted age adjusted all-cause mortality rate by using the ONS’s published population sizes for each of the three categories of vaccinated. This is not ideal because the ONS age adjusted rates are so opaque and are not 'abolute numbers'. However, in the absence of detailed data this should provide a reasonable estimate of what the ONS age adjusted all-cause mortality rate would be for all unvaccinated if they had bothered to report it. We will call this the ‘weighted vaccinated mortality rate’. The data table derived from the ONS data and used to compute this rate is given at the end of this post.

It turns out that, even using this age adjusted mortality rate, the death rate is currently higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

The age adjusted mortality rates for vaccinated against unvaccinated for weeks 1 to 26 of 2021 are charted below. Overall, the chart shows that, over time, the weighted mortality rate for the vaccinated has steadily increased and by week 16 (23 April 2021), surpassed that for the unvaccinated.

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.c...n-england.html

Norman Fenton
Norman Fenton is Professor in Risk Information Management at Queen Mary University of London and also a Director of Agena, a company that specialises in risk management for critical systems.


Risk Assessment and Decision Analysis with Bayesian Networks 2nd Edition
by Norman Fentonhttps://www.amazon.com/Assessment-Decision-Analysis-Bayesian-Networks/dp/1138035114


Wow, not looking for the jabbed right now. Not only does this leaky "vaccine" not stop infections, it is not having a positive effect on deaths based on the UK data.

It turns out that, even using this age adjusted mortality rate, the death rate is currently higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.
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SuperBowl4 06:22 AM 09-26-2021
Dr. Leana Wen (Emergency Physician) views her fully vaccinated self as a threat to her unvaccinated children? -> https://www.bitchute.com/video/ew1jOTSnhh0o/ Does anyone else realize how stupid this sounds?
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RaidersOftheCellar 07:09 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Thursday, 23 September 2021
A comparison of age adjusted all-cause mortality rates in England between vaccinated and unvaccinated

Norman Fenton and Martin Neil

The UK Government's own data does not support the claims made for vaccine effectiveness/safety.

In a previous post we argued that the most reliable long-term measure of Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness/safety is the age adjusted all-cause mortality rate. If, over a reasonably prolonged period, fewer vaccinated people die, from whatever cause, including Covid-19, than unvaccinated people then we could conclude that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks. We also pointed out that, to avoid the confounding effect of age, it is critical that data for each age category is available, rather than the aggregated data because, clearly, aggregated data might exaggerate vaccine mortality rates if more older people, with shorter expected mortality, are included. The UK roll out of the vaccine was executed in descending age order, from older to younger, except very early on in the vaccination programme when the vulnerable young were vaccinated along with the very elderly. As the programme progressed those vaccinated were, on average, older than those who remained unvaccinated and as the roll out proceeded a progressively higher proportion of the residual unvaccinated population are younger.

The latest Office for National Statistics report on mortality rates by Covid vaccination status provides data on all deaths – Covid related and non-Covid related for the period Jan-July 2021 for the unvaccinated and the different categories of vaccinated ('within 21 days of first dose', '21 days or more after first dose', 'second dose'). The ONS data for Covid-19 mortality, is given in Table 4 of the ONS spreadsheet and the ONS data for all-cause mortality excluding Covid-19, is given in Table 5 of the same spreadsheet. Both tables are reproduced at the bottom of this post.

We believe there are severe weaknesses and possible errors in the ONS data (see foonote**). But importantly, while it does not provide the raw age categorized data, it does provide "age standardized" mortality rates*** (also see explanatory video). This means the ONS have calculated the overall mortality rate in a way which (they believe) adjusts for the confounding effect of age, and this is ‘baked into’ the mortality rates they have published. However, while they report this age adjusted mortality rate for each of the three separate categories of vaccinated people they do not report it for the combined set of vaccinated people. In our analysis, and in the absence of the actual age stratified data, we compute a population weighted age adjusted all-cause mortality rate by using the ONS’s published population sizes for each of the three categories of vaccinated. This is not ideal because the ONS age adjusted rates are so opaque and are not 'abolute numbers'. However, in the absence of detailed data this should provide a reasonable estimate of what the ONS age adjusted all-cause mortality rate would be for all unvaccinated if they had bothered to report it. We will call this the ‘weighted vaccinated mortality rate’. The data table derived from the ONS data and used to compute this rate is given at the end of this post.

It turns out that, even using this age adjusted mortality rate, the death rate is currently higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

The age adjusted mortality rates for vaccinated against unvaccinated for weeks 1 to 26 of 2021 are charted below. Overall, the chart shows that, over time, the weighted mortality rate for the vaccinated has steadily increased and by week 16 (23 April 2021), surpassed that for the unvaccinated.

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.c...n-england.html

Norman Fenton
Norman Fenton is Professor in Risk Information Management at Queen Mary University of London and also a Director of Agena, a company that specialises in risk management for critical systems.


Risk Assessment and Decision Analysis with Bayesian Networks 2nd Edition
by Norman Fentonhttps://www.amazon.com/Assessment-Decision-Analysis-Bayesian-Networks/dp/1138035114


Wow, not looking for the jabbed right now. Not only does this leaky "vaccine" not stop infections, it is not having a positive effect on deaths based on the UK data.

It turns out that, even using this age adjusted mortality rate, the death rate is currently higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.
Covidians will laugh it off like morons because Don Lemon told them it’s the best thing ever created.
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lawrenceRaider 07:16 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Covidians will laugh at it off like morons because Don Lemon told them itís the best thing ever created.
Cellar, dig into the details and break it down for us in causes of death, age ranges, and any other pertinent details you find.

No copy and paste. In your own words with the facts.
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RaidersOftheCellar 07:28 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Cellar, dig into the details and break it down for us in causes of death, age ranges, and any other pertinent details you find.

No copy and paste. In your own words with the facts.
Why do I need to? Two professors already did.
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MahomesMagic 07:31 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Cellar, dig into the details and break it down for us in causes of death, age ranges, and any other pertinent details you find.

No copy and paste. In your own words with the facts.
Feel free to do so yourself.
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banyon 08:58 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
('within 21 days of first dose', '21 days or more after first dose', 'second dose').
Not this shit again.

1) they count not fully vaccinated people as vaccinated
2) they adjusted for age but not comorbidities ? What kind of sense does that make?
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banyon 09:04 AM 09-26-2021
This is the guys own chart that shows how important it is to get 2nd dose and how disingenuous counting people who have had 1 shot as vaccinated is:
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SuperBowl4 09:10 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
Not this shit again.

1) they count not fully vaccinated people as vaccinated
2) they adjusted for age but not comorbidities ? What kind of sense does that make?
It's all BS and has been since day one.:-)
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lawrenceRaider 09:29 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Feel free to do so yourself.
I'm not the one making wild ass claims where I don't understand the "data" behind the claims. I might believe you look into them because of how you actually discuss things on the main boards COVID thread.

I don't believe Cellar understands any of it.
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MahomesMagic 09:30 AM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by banyon:
Not this shit again.

1) they count not fully vaccinated people as vaccinated
2) they adjusted for age but not comorbidities ? What kind of sense does that make?
Right, you would rather have a tally where if someone dies from a vaccine injury they can be counted as "unjabbed" even though they were jabbed.

What Fenton is doing here is brilliant. Instead of just worrying about who dies from Covid look at all mortality.

Age itself tells you roughly how many comorbidities you will have in the aggregate.

Sorry your injections look like a dud. Best chance to make the vaccines look good is by manipulation of definitions and Fenton doesn't let you do it.
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Prison Bitch 10:11 AM 09-26-2021

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