Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
There's an entire world of Type A personalities who are being told "just sit tight for awhile and this will sort itself out..." who damn sure aren't taking well to it.
We've spent decades telling America about the nobility of pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps and bowing your back and fighting for the life you want....and now we're expecting many of those same people to just turn that off?
That's why the whole "your grandparents stormed the beaches in Normandy to save the world, all you have to do is sit on your couch" thing falls really damn flat. For many, if not the majority, the problem is that there's nothing they can do. If there was an actual enemy to fight, you'd see these same people who are being chastised for being stir crazy being the first people enlisting.
Americans aren't a sit back and wait it out lot. Yeah, they're gonna struggle like hell with this. It doesn't make them 'fucktards' - it makes them frustrated and left without an outlet. And it's made worse by these heavy handed efforts to claim a moral high ground.
I'm like that, I enjoy being out but at the same time, there are plenty of things to do at my home. It's why I have hobbies, it's why I invested in things like big tvs, and video games and arcade machines and built a man cave.
So when we are actually at home there is shit to do, to be bored in my house you have to actively try to be bored. [Reply]
You said it hasn't gone through a small town. That's wrong.
You then said maybe it will. That's wrong too. It already has.
If you don't like having your ignorance corrected, please don't display it.
That wasn't my original statement it was a reply to another comment I made that really didn't make that assumption, you are behind as usual and posting from a position of ignorance.
11 cases in 1 town does not equal "running through it". You know you don't have enough data to support that claim, you don't know how it started or how it got to 11 and where it ends. Could have been 11 people who took a trip somewhere and nobody else gets infected.
You don't get to make your own rules dipshit.
Once again this is just you making your own qualifiers and then calling someone wrong. [Reply]
I'm hoping Iowa gets a SIP order soon. I just can't take seeing the constant flow of people in and out of the Post Office. Even my remote PO has seen business increase by at least 300%. This is absolutely sickening and there is a high population of 61+ in these towns. We're gonna be pretty fucked here sooner or later. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Unfortunately, we're probably going to see a lot of that around the world. Countries with poorer economies and less-developed health care infrastructure are probably gonna get thrashed.
India's gonna do this for a month, say "we did what we could", open things back up and a million people are probably going to die.
It won't get reported and ultimately a million people in a country of 1.4 billion won't make a dent. They'll move on with their lives because it's a harsh, poor, hardscrabble society that is in many ways immune to suffering because they hardly know anything else.
Yeah, the third world's gonna have a bad few months.
Novel viruses that attack people's lungs are a bitch. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
That wasn't my original statement it was a reply to another comment I made that really didn't make that assumption, you are behind as usual and posting from a position of ignorance.
11 cases in 1 town does not equal "running through it". You know you don't have enough data to support that claim, you don't know how it started or how it got to 11 and where it ends. Could have been 11 people who took a trip somewhere and nobody else gets infected.
You don't get to make your own rules dipshit.
Once again this is just you making your own qualifiers and then calling someone wrong.
Originally Posted by Donger:
Feel free to zoom in on any of the little red dots throughout western Kansas, or any very rural areas of other states. You'll see the same thing.
Fairly certain it puts the dot where the main town is in each county. We have no reports in this town (main city in the county) and they are in fact reported in the next town over. But I could be wrong about other counties? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I'm like that, I enjoy being out but at the same time, there are plenty of things to do at my home. It's why I have hobbies, it's why I invested in things like big tvs, and video games and arcade machines and built a man cave.
So when we are actually at home there is shit to do, to be bored in my house you have to actively try to be bored.
I'm gonna put together a little driving range off my patio. Have re-arranged some stuff in the shop to make for better workflow and am probably going to start a kitchen table project w/ some old walnut I have.
But as you well know, there's a difference between 'doing something' and 'doing something'.
The former is just asking people to occupy themselves while things spin around them. The latter is what all of them would like to do. This isn't about raw boredom, its about powerlessness and lack of purpose. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'm gonna put together a little driving range off my patio. Have re-arranged some stuff in the shop to make for better workflow and am probably going to start a kitchen table project w/ some old walnut I have.
But as you well know, there's a difference between 'doing something' and 'doing something'.
The former is just asking people to occupy themselves while things spin around them. The latter is what all of them would like to do. This isn't about raw boredom, its about powerlessness and lack of purpose.
For those of us that are still working being quite at home isn’t the worst thing but I would imagine if you are not working it would be hard to enjoy your days off knowing that each passing day you get more and more in debt. Having to do something that wasn’t by choice is harder to stomach. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Tnerped:
Fairly certain it puts the dot where the main town is in each county. We have no reports in this town (main city in the county) and they are in fact reported in the next town over. But I could be wrong about other counties?
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'm gonna put together a little driving range off my patio. Have re-arranged some stuff in the shop to make for better workflow and am probably going to start a kitchen table project w/ some old walnut I have.
But as you well know, there's a difference between 'doing something' and 'doing something'.
The former is just asking people to occupy themselves while things spin around them. The latter is what all of them would like to do. This isn't about raw boredom, its about powerlessness and lack of purpose.
There is some truth to that but I'm sure everyone has some home projects they could be getting done right now.
My son and I, hung shelves, got our deck ready for summer with all the furniture, cleaned out our garage. I mean I get it can be a source of frustration but I try to view it as an opportunity to get some extra things done. [Reply]