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ROYC75 09:55 PM 11-23-2021
I have no clue if this is correct, shit is over my pay scale but it friggin makes sense. Read on with an open mind!

Got this from my buddy Mark Reed... an interesting take on Electric Cars.

As an engineer I love the electric vehicle technology However, I have been troubled for a longtime by the fact that the electrical energy to keep the batteries charged has to come from the grid, and that means more power generation and a huge increase in the distribution infrastructure. Whether generated from coal, gas, oil, wind or sun, installed generation capacity is limited.

A friend sent me the following that says it very well. You should all take a look at this short article.

IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!

In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car...

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I've ever seen and it tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things, yet they're being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.

If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So the Canadian Government wants loyal Canadians not to do the math, but simply pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
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RubberSponge 10:16 PM 11-23-2021
See, this what happens when you listen to Kid Rock.
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ThyKingdomCome15 10:19 PM 11-23-2021
How long does the battery keep it's strength? A weak battery is terrible for mileage. How much for a new one?
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Rain Man 10:20 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by digger:
good thing we use nuclear power to make all the electricity...



Wait what...
NASA is wanting to build a nuclear reactor on the moon, an idea which is 40 years overdue:

https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-is...or-on-the-moon

This one will just power lunar operations, but they should build a huge one, and also solar panels, and pipe those gigawatts back to earth. The energy problem is solved and the arabs will go back to their bedouin lifestyle and we'll have peace on earth and power for all.
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eDave 10:21 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15:
How long does the battery keep it's strength? A weak battery is terrible for mileage. How much for a new one?
10-20 years. Long timeframe but that's what a quick Google told me. Replacement cost looks to be $6,300 using the same method.
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eDave 10:22 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
NASA is wanting to build a nuclear reactor on the moon, an idea which is 40 years overdue:

https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-is...or-on-the-moon

This one will just power lunar operations, but they should build a huge one, and also solar panels, and pipe those gigawatts back to earth. The energy problem is solved and the arabs will go back to their bedouin lifestyle and we'll have peace on earth and power for all.
It's perfectly safe to build one here. Expensive and long build time though. And it's a boogyman to dummies.
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Braincase 10:24 PM 11-23-2021
Thinking about adding some solar and wind power to the house here. Might look at a do-it-yourself power wall. Have looked at the F-150 Lightning and other all electric trucks. Backing the house up with a propane-based Generac unit, primarily because I already have the propane infrastructure and a 1000 gallon tank.
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Rain Man 10:26 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by eDave:
It's perfectly safe to build one here. Expensive and long build time though. And it's a boogyman to dummies.
Yeah, but it's even safer on the moon. All of the anti-nuclear arguments are voided when you put the reactor in a place with no wildlife, and no way to impact earth at all. I don't see how anyone could oppose it.

You might want to armor it up a bit against meteors to keep earth from seeing fireworks at some point, but that's not a big deal.
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ROYC75 10:31 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Yeah, but it's even safer on the moon. All of the anti-nuclear arguments are voided when you put the reactor in a place with no wildlife, and no way to impact earth at all. I don't see how anyone could oppose it.

You might want to armor it up a bit against meteors to keep earth from seeing fireworks at some point, but that's not a big deal.
Great, now we nerd to put a military unit on the moon to protect it from aliens and/or NK! :-):-)
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Rain Man 10:32 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by ROYC75:
Great, now we nerd to put a military unit on the moon to protect it from aliens and/or NK! :-):-)
Hey, that's why we have The Space Force.
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ROYC75 10:33 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by Braincase:
Thinking about adding some solar and wind power to the house here. Might look at a do-it-yourself power wall. Have looked at the F-150 Lightning and other all electric trucks. Backing the house up with a propane-based Generac unit, primarily because I already have the propane infrastructure and a 1000 gallon tank.
Good backup option with the propane.
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arrwheader 10:40 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Yeah, but it's even safer on the moon. All of the anti-nuclear arguments are voided when you put the reactor in a place with no wildlife, and no way to impact earth at all. I don't see how anyone could oppose it.



You might want to armor it up a bit against meteors to keep earth from seeing fireworks at some point, but that's not a big deal.
You do know if the moon blows up or even got knocked off a bit it would have drastic implications on earth right? Like we don't exist anymore.

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TimBone 10:46 PM 11-23-2021
I'll be the one to get it to DC, I guess. And this is a genuine question, because I admit I have done absolutely zero research.

Can someone explain why Republicans are so opposed to electric cars? I was genuinely surprised to hear it was a political talking point at all.

Is it because big oil money is on the Reoublican side?
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Rain Man 10:53 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by arrwheader:
You do know if the moon blows up or even got knocked off a bit it would have drastic implications on earth right? Like we don't exist anymore.

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That's why we should build a backup.
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ROYC75 10:56 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by TimBone:
I'll be the one to get it to DC, I guess. And this is a genuine question, because I admit I have done absolutely zero research.

Can someone explain why Republicans are so opposed to electric cars? I was genuinely surprised to hear it was a political talking point at all.

Is it because big oil money is on the Reoublican side?
That's a possibility. TBH, IMHO there are a lot of concerns here to think through. Like 1, not everybody is going to be able to pony up that much money for a new ride.

Heh, wait until the flying car comes out!
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Rain Man 11:00 PM 11-23-2021
Originally Posted by TimBone:
I'll be the one to get it to DC, I guess. And this is a genuine question, because I admit I have done absolutely zero research.

Can someone explain why Republicans are so opposed to electric cars? I was genuinely surprised to hear it was a political talking point at all.

Is it because big oil money is on the Reoublican side?
Separating it from politics, I'm always curious why some people adamantly oppose attempts to establish new technologies. It's not a bad thing to try something new, and if it doesn't work then you abandon it. Why do some people not even want to try it?

It's not even technology in particular. It might be a different type of zoning to help make housing more affordable, or adding bicycle lanes. Any time changes are attempted, some part of the population acts like it's the apocalypse before it's even attempted. It's not even about the issue, I think, but rather it's just a discomfort with doing anything differently than the past.
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