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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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-King- 02:04 PM 08-17-2021
What, does he announce everytime he's taking a nap or something? :-)
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MIAdragon 02:26 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
****ing hell, Hardman. Figured he'd have cleaned up these issues by now but apparently not. That's the type of shit that'll permanently lose trust with Mahomes.
The best part is him motioning to Mahomes like HE did something wrong.
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staylor26 02:28 PM 08-17-2021
Holy shit, overreaction planet in full effect in this thread.
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Radar Chief 02:29 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by Dante84:
He likes naps.

He likes bowling.

He likes flirting with broke-ass white chicks from Olathe.

I'm literally anticipating some ridiculous story to come out in the next year or 3 about how he got caught banging someone's wife or was in a chick's DM's saying crazy shit, or gets pulled over with a Lee's Summit 6 who has her top off.

He can't be trusted to run a ****ing route correctly, you think he's covering up all his dirt smoothly? No chance in hell.

I sure hope he balls out, but whatever.
Definition request.
I think I know what you're talking about but wanted to be sure.
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ThaVirus 02:29 PM 08-17-2021
Watching it again, I'm really not a fan of those route concepts.

It's Reid so I'm sure there's a reason for it. I suppose flooding the middle against zone would probably leave one of those guys open, but against man it just creates a jumbled mess.
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Red Dawg 02:32 PM 08-17-2021
Let him play a few games as the 2 wr before we go nuts on his shitty play. He hasn't played a down yet in that role.
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ModSocks 02:34 PM 08-17-2021
You guys are too much. Ya'll need to see a doctor cuz your hate-boner is far too stiff for far too long.
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Sofa King 02:35 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Holy shit, overreaction planet in full effect in this thread.
It would seem like pattern, not an overreaction at this point.
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RunKC 02:39 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by Sofa King:
It would seem like pattern, not an overreaction at this point.
Yup. There’s been a clear disconnect with their communication and it happened last year.

It’s a trend at this point
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staylor26 02:40 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by Sofa King:
It would seem like pattern, not an overreaction at this point.
Hardman, by all accounts, has had a great TC, and “ran way” with the WR2 job. I’m not going to overreact to literally one fucking play in a meaningless preseason game.

I’m not concerned with what happened last year or the year before. When it’s a pattern this year, then I’ll be concerned.
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Sassy Squatch 02:43 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Yup. There’s been a clear disconnect with their communication and it happened last year.

It’s a trend at this point
Miscommunication? That play was just lackadaisical effort on Hardmans part.
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staylor26 02:45 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Yup. There’s been a clear disconnect with their communication and it happened last year.

It’s a trend at this point
Where a you seeing miscommunication?
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Hammock Parties 02:54 PM 08-17-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Hardman, by all accounts, has had a great TC, and “ran way” with the WR2 job. I’m not going to overreact to literally one fucking play in a meaningless preseason game.

I’m not concerned with what happened last year or the year before. When it’s a pattern this year, then I’ll be concerned.
He's still struggling to get ready to catch the ball.

This is a pattern.
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JakeF 08:45 PM 08-17-2021
Hardman dropped a pass against the 49ers that cost us a 1st down and almost led to an interception.
It also looks like Toub is looking for options at the returner spot. Hughes, Pringle, and Shepherd are all possible returners now. They even tried Dieter returning against San Fran. I guess Andy is trying to find an excuse to keep Dieter around. It's pass time for the Mahomes Buddy plan to end imo. smh

Hardman has tons of potential, but this is the year he has to take the next step.
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RealSNR 07:05 PM 08-20-2021
See, this is why we need Gehrig Dieter.

No WR's chemistry with Mahomes is as good as Dieter's!
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