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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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Hammock Parties 07:40 AM 08-16-2021
He was not ready to catch that ball Saturday.
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BleedingRed 07:45 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
He was not ready to catch that ball Saturday.
He has to get his head around faster.
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kcclone 07:47 AM 08-16-2021
We're going to have to go WR early in the 2022 draft. Hardman isn't ready for prime time. He can be a valuable player for us, but I don't see them giving him a second deal.
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BleedingRed 07:52 AM 08-16-2021
I think Hardman can still be a legit WR2. But he isn't what we are missing on this team. We need a A. Boldin type on the field with Reek.

Someone to take the top off, TK to handle the seam routes. And a possession WR to handle the slants/crossers.

IMHO
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-King- 08:03 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I'm not sweating it, Hardman has a very specific skill set that just happens to be the same one our WR1 has, he wont be on the field every single play. And if you expect him to be youre expecting him to have transformed into some one hes not. He will see more action but not every situation calls for two sub 4.3 guys. I do expect as the season goes on he will see the field more and more. But i dont expect to see much from him in preseason.
Other than speed, him and Hill have nothing alike.
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penguinz 08:13 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
He has to get his head around faster.
It was a shitty pass. This was on Henne not Hardman.
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Beef Supreme 09:04 AM 08-16-2021
He's no Dexter McCluster.
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BleedingRed 09:10 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by Beef Supreme:
He's no Dexter McCluster.
:-)
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Hammock Parties 09:11 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by penguinz:
It was a shitty pass. This was on Henne not Hardman.
Mahomes threw the pass. It hit Hardman IN THE HANDS.
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Sassy Squatch 09:17 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Mahomes threw the pass. It hit Hardman IN THE HANDS.
Yeah. What the actual fuck trying to blame that on the QB? Hardman just had another one of those lapses in concentration that are becoming all too common.
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Dunerdr 09:20 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by -King-:
Other than speed, him and Hill have nothing alike.
Hill does all the other things better though. And Mecoles not a great blocking guy at this point. So its a bit of a 1A and 1b as far as guys with speed to threaten. Theres not much need to show your hand on stuff like that in the preseason.
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penguinz 09:38 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Mahomes threw the pass. It hit Hardman IN THE HANDS.
I was drunk when watching and only paying half attention. :-)
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tredadda 09:46 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I'm not sweating it, Hardman has a very specific skill set that just happens to be the same one our WR1 has, he wont be on the field every single play. And if you expect him to be youre expecting him to have transformed into some one hes not. He will see more action but not every situation calls for two sub 4.3 guys. I do expect as the season goes on he will see the field more and more. But i dont expect to see much from him in preseason.
His speed is irrelevant if he can't catch the ball. Tyreek catches practically everything that comes his direction, Hardman does not.
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TLO 09:47 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
Gadget player…nothing more, nothing less.
No
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Quesadilla Joe 10:03 AM 08-16-2021
Originally Posted by kcclone:
We're going to have to go WR early in the 2022 draft. Hardman isn't ready for prime time. He can be a valuable player for us, but I don't see them giving him a second deal.
Sign Tim Patrick when he becomes a free agent. He's a big, fast, sure-handed WR who would be a solid #2.
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