Kansas City is trading its first-round pick Thursday night, along with three other picks in the 2021 and 2022 drafts, to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for Pro Bowl OT Orlando Brown and one pick in the 2021 draft and another in 2022, per sources.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The 2004 - 2005 IOL was a monster. Waters had peaked into a true All-Pro player, Shields was still at his best and Weigman was criminally underrated and a very, very good player.
If you wanted to go 'strength for strength' rather than position by position you'd have, in rank order (IMO):
Shields > Humphrey
Waters > Thuney
Weigmann > Smith
If you tried to find any direct comp, it would be Weigmann and Thuney - they're EXTREMELY similar players. Both slightly undersized for the positions but surprisingly powerful due to their technique and ability to work angles. They were technicians and damn effective ones.
Waters was the sort of aggresssive mauler that we hope Smith becomes someday but he ain't that yet.
And Shields is an all-time great.
Nah - the '04 IOL beats this one, IMO. And not by a small amount. That was a ridiculous line.
Our current OL has some great pieces and are trending in the right direction. But recency bias is clouding some folks' judgement; they are not yet anywhere near the guys in this picture. We've just had mediocrity at best, to complete dogshit at worst for so long that consistently good play is from the entire unit is an anomaly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The 2004 - 2005 IOL was a monster. Waters had peaked into a true All-Pro player, Shields was still at his best and Weigman was criminally underrated and a very, very good player.
If you wanted to go 'strength for strength' rather than position by position you'd have, in rank order (IMO):
Shields > Humphrey
Waters > Thuney
Weigmann > Smith
If you tried to find any direct comp, it would be Weigmann and Thuney - they're EXTREMELY similar players. Both slightly undersized for the positions but surprisingly powerful due to their technique and ability to work angles. They were technicians and damn effective ones.
Waters was the sort of aggresssive mauler that we hope Smith becomes someday but he ain't that yet.
And Shields is an all-time great.
Nah - the '04 IOL beats this one, IMO. And not by a small amount. That was a ridiculous line.
I don't disagree across the board, but i feel you might be viewing Weigmann's abilities through a rose-colored nostalgic lens. He was similarly a technician, but he was SO undersized that he often got NO movement at the point of attack. On 4th and 1, you couldn't count on him to not get pushed into the backfield.
He was great at pulling (which is kinda crazy for a center), always used angles and technique, and most likely made good calls, but he was a weak link on that line.
Shields is one of the best ever and I loved Waters, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if these three end up better in fairly short order. The biggest difference, IMO, was Roaf on the outside and perhaps Tait. Crazy good all the way across. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
If Carl hadn't pissed off Tait so much during rookie negotiations maybe we could have held that line together for a few more years.
Our current OL has some great pieces and are trending in the right direction. But recency bias is clouding some folks' judgement; they are not yet anywhere near the guys in this picture. We've just had mediocrity at best, to complete dogshit at worst for so long that consistently good play is from the entire unit is an anomaly.
I agree with this. Shields and Waters at guard. Tait at RT, and Willie.
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
If Carl hadn't pissed off Tait so much during rookie negotiations maybe we could have held that line together for a few more years.
Ha. Foot shuffling porter still rings a bell. [Reply]
You knew what was coming against the 02-05 Chiefs and you still couldn't stop it.
This line isn't there yet.
HOWEVER...seeing us line up with two tight ends and a fullback on third and one this year, and basically telling the opponent to fuck off, means they are getting there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hoover:
I agree with this. Shields and Waters at guard. Tait at RT, and Willie.
Weigmann was the weakest link.
Holy shit you could have bet me money Shields was left guard next to Willie, and Waters was on the right. But I looked it up and I guess not. Getting old suuuuuucks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MVChiefFan:
Ya know, Jason Dunn was like a damn sixth O-Lineman in that offense. We used him A LOT! Possibly the best blocking team ever.
