Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
This isn’t even swine flu level of bad which affected more than just the elderly from a fatality stand point.
People need to chill out. This overreaction has the potential to do much more damage the virus itself if it doesn’t go unchecked.
What are you basing this on?
This is the 2 month mmwr from the CDC about 2 months in H1N1
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmw...827a4.htmApril 2009, CDC reported the first two cases in the United States of human infection with a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus (1). As of July 6, a total of 122 countries had reported 94,512 cases of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, 429 of which were fatal; in the United States, a total of 33,902 cases were reported, 170 of which were*fatal."
Another piece of data
CDC estimates that between about 2,500 and 6,000 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April and October 17, 2009. The mid-level in this range is about 3,900 2009 H1N1-related deaths.
Later on we determine that it killed a lot more people than we thought. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
This isn’t even swine flu level of bad which affected more than just the elderly from a fatality stand point.
People need to chill out. This overreaction has the potential to do much more damage the virus itself if it doesn’t go unchecked.
And yet 3 major European countries are on lockdown having closed everything but grocery stores and pharmacies, after it got much worse than here. [Reply]
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think what many people are overlooking when comparing the swine flu to the corona virus is the fact that swine flu you would show symptoms the first two-days if you were sick.
With the CoronaVirus you show no symptoms the first five-ten days. So you could be out spreading it and not even know it. That's what makes it so dangerous. [Reply]
Please read this stat - over half the cases in France in ICU are under age 60. This isn’t just a disease that impacts grandparents and elderly. https://t.co/sJcTvvi9ai
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
True, but if it is actually worse than we're thinking and we sit on our hands it could end up doing more damage than necessary. Pick your poison.
Let’s explore the possibilities and, I acknowledge I am talking worst case scenarios here. But if we are talking worst case scenarios for the virus then worst case scenarios for or reaction/handling of it are equally relevant.
Just today I am hearing people around me are going to start working from home. That’s great for the few who can but, most can’t. What happens when people don’t have money to pay bills, rent, morgage or buy groceries? What happens when you can’t buy groceries because stores have been closed down?
I was talking with my barber this morning about the subject and he mentioned that the government had just released money for all the people expecting it. We talked about the consequences of those people not getting that money, the riots and such that would ensue. Imagine what happens when, hell I’ll be conservative and say a quarter of the country shuts down.
The swine flu took 18,000 lives. And that is indeed tragic, but not society altering, as is obvious in how we didn’t shut down over it. A national emergency wasn’t even called until a 1,000 deaths had occurred, and even at that point there was still fucking toilet paper on the shelves.
Are some reasonable measures like travel bans prudent? Absolutely. But cancelling life is just irresponsible and needs to be checked before it goes much further. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
Let’s explore the possibilities and, I acknowledge I am talking worst case scenarios here. But if we are talking worst case scenarios for the virus then worst case scenarios for or reaction/handling of it are equally relevant.
Just today I am hearing people around me are going to start working from home. That’s great for the few who can but, most can’t. What happens when people don’t have money to pay bills, rent, morgage or buy groceries? What happens when you can’t buy groceries because stores have been closed down?
I was talking with my barber this morning about the subject and he mentioned that the government had just released money for all the people expecting it. We talked about the consequences of those people not getting that money, the riots and such that would ensue. Imagine what happens when, hell I’ll be conservative and say a quarter of the country shuts down.
The swine flu took 18,000 lives. And that is indeed tragic, but not society altering, as is obvious in how we didn’t shut down over it. A national emergency wasn’t even called until a 1,000 deaths had occurred, and even at that point there was still fucking toilet paper on the shelves.
Are some reasonable measures like travel bans prudent? Absolutely. But cancelling life is just irresponsible and needs to be checked before it goes much further.
I think I will listen to the people in charge of these things instead. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think what many people are overlooking when comparing the swine flu to the corona virus is the fact that swine flu you would show symptoms the first two-days if you were sick.
With the CoronaVirus you show no symptoms the first five-ten days. So you could be out spreading it and not even know it. That's what makes it so dangerous.
Those numbers go along with what they are guessing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
Let’s explore the possibilities and, I acknowledge I am talking worst case scenarios here. But if we are talking worst case scenarios for the virus then worst case scenarios for or reaction/handling of it are equally relevant.
Just today I am hearing people around me are going to start working from home. That’s great for the few who can but, most can’t. What happens when people don’t have money to pay bills, rent, morgage or buy groceries? What happens when you can’t buy groceries because stores have been closed down?
I was talking with my barber this morning about the subject and he mentioned that the government had just released money for all the people expecting it. We talked about the consequences of those people not getting that money, the riots and such that would ensue. Imagine what happens when, hell I’ll be conservative and say a quarter of the country shuts down.
The swine flu took 18,000 lives. And that is indeed tragic, but not society altering, as is obvious in how we didn’t shut down over it. A national emergency wasn’t even called until a 1,000 deaths had occurred, and even at that point there was still ****ing toilet paper on the shelves.
Are some reasonable measures like travel bans prudent? Absolutely. But cancelling life is just irresponsible and needs to be checked before it goes much further.
You realize that swine flu stat was the final score, and we’re in the first quarter of the Covid game? That Covid is highly contagious and its infection rate increases exponentially? It doesn’t go 1, 2, 3, 4 ... It goes 1, 2, 4, 16, 32 ...
The fear isn’t that it’s the Andromeda Strain and people will drop dead in the streets. It’s that infections will explode and overwhelm the health care system. We’re trying to slow the infection rate — “bend the curve.” [Reply]