Free Agent Signings:
Carlos Santana
Mike Minor
Michael Taylor
Ervin Santana
Top 10 Prospects:
1 Bobby Witt Jr., SS
2 Asa Lacy, LHP
3 Daniel Lynch, LHP
4 Jackson Kowar, RHP
5 Erick Pena, OF
6 Nick Loftin, SS
7 Kyle Isbel, OF
8 Khali Lee, OF
9 Jonathan Bowlan, RHP
10 Carlos Hernedez, RHP [Reply]
Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn:
Where's that dumb shit cosmo?
He was here posting emojis a couple days ago after I stated Matheny was burning up all of our bullpen arms like so many predicted, and that we would need the extra roster spots in September for bullpen arms to make it through the end of the season.
That’s now 4 bullpens guys to the IL in less than 4 weeks. Hmmm, wonder if that’s just a coincidence?
Can’t wait to see what meaningful emoji he will come and post now . . . . . . [Reply]
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
I wonder if these guys are truly hurt or they’re just parking them on the IL to give them rest so they can’t be used and don’t burn out.
Yeah, there’s no way that is what they are doing, but IF it was and the Royals FO was doing that to save them from burnout by Matheny, then he (Matheny) should be fired on the spot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
Yeah, there’s no way that is what they are doing, but IF it was and the Royals FO was doing that to save them from burnout by Matheny, then he (Matheny) should be fired on the spot.
Completely agree
And if this scenario was true and it didn't get Matheny immediately fired, then Sherman needs to clean house. [Reply]
Since Flanny's July 5th tweet saying to watch the DL for bullpen arms in the second half of the season, this is the fourth pitcher from the Royals bullpen to reach the DL (Zimmer, Holland, and Brentz coming before Staumont). [Reply]
Aug 19 - 3 pitches
Aug 21 - 11 pitches
Aug 25 - 17 pitches
I know some claim that our relievers are being worked to death between starts, including by constantly warming up to enter the games that they don't appear in. Since there's no actual data on this or evidence other than "it seems like...", it's pretty easy to dismiss.
It's also claimed that Matheny and the coaches are constantly warming guys up and not tracking it, so they have no idea how much they are throwing. Again, very unlikely they don't know exactly how much each has thrown.
I don't know why so many have been on IL...more likely the team is being extra cautious at the first sign of soreness. Wade Davis also did an IL stint. Was he being overworked? [Reply]
The subtext is that these pitchers were all likely fighting fatigue and dead arms on July 5th. Otherwise a beat writer who has always been cordial with the team wouldn’t have directly said that Matheny was overworking the bullpen AND made a prediction that has turned out to be 100% accurate.
But keep ignoring Occam’s razor if it suits you, my man. You seem to be in too deep on this one to say “you know I may have been off on this.” [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Since Flanny's July 5th tweet saying to watch the DL for bullpen arms in the second half of the season, this is the fourth pitcher from the Royals bullpen to reach the DL (Zimmer, Holland, and Brentz coming before Staumont).
I couldn't find Flanny's July 5 tweet, but on August 5, he praised Matheny's bullpen management as "superb."
Joel/Monty were just talking about this, but despite the overall record, Mike Matheny’s management of the bullpen has been superb in his time here. And yes, players have to perform, that is ultimate, but Matheny has put them into position to succeed. Ok, commence the complaining.
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
I couldn't find Flanny's July 5 tweet, but on August 5, he praised Matheny's bullpen management as "superb."
Joel/Monty were just talking about this, but despite the overall record, Mike Matheny’s management of the bullpen has been superb in his time here. And yes, players have to perform, that is ultimate, but Matheny has put them into position to succeed. Ok, commence the complaining.
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
The subtext is that these pitchers were all likely fighting fatigue and dead arms on July 5th. Otherwise a beat writer who has always been cordial with the team wouldn’t have directly said that Matheny was overworking the bullpen AND made a prediction that has turned out to be 100% accurate.
But keep ignoring Occam’s razor if it suits you, my man. You seem to be in too deep on this one to say “you know I may have been off on this.”
Well, I don't know exactly what he said, but I just posted what he said August 5.
Anyway, I don't know what to tell ya...but if guys are fatigued with dead arms from pitching 2 or 3 innings a week...then maybe they aren't cut out for this job. I don't know how you can get around that..you can't have a bullpen full of guys who are maxed out after an inning a week.
This stuff about being overworked between starts and warming up seems like a lot a "seems like" nonsense. I don't have any particular like for Matheny or his staff, but the notion that they are just killing these guys in ways that aren't normal for relief pitcher routines seems kind of ridiculous. [Reply]
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
Well, I don't know exactly what he said, but I just posted what he said August 5.
Anyway, I don't know what to tell ya...but if guys are fatigued with dead arms from pitching 2 or 3 innings a week...then maybe they aren't cut out for this job. I don't know how you can get around that..you can't have a bullpen full of guys who are maxed out after an inning a week.
This stuff about being overworked between starts and warming up seems like a lot a "seems like" nonsense. I don't have any particular like for Matheny or his staff, but the notion that they are just killing these guys in ways that aren't normal for relief pitcher routines seems kind of ridiculous.
Dude, you gave up way too quickly. Hopefully you're not this lazy in political threads, too. I know you're only going to look for confirmation biases and will not change your opinion no matter what, but check this out.
Flanny first talked about this July 5th and then kept the conversation going when asked about it later.
I was fascinated by Matheny’s “chase every win” approach, which wasn’t harmful in last year’s 60-game sprint. But over 162, it is not practical. Keep an eye on bullpen injuries over these last three months. And there is a mental toll on all players with this approach, too. (4)
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
Well, I don't know exactly what he said, but I just posted what he said August 5.
Anyway, I don't know what to tell ya...but if guys are fatigued with dead arms from pitching 2 or 3 innings a week...then maybe they aren't cut out for this job. I don't know how you can get around that..you can't have a bullpen full of guys who are maxed out after an inning a week.
This stuff about being overworked between starts and warming up seems like a lot a "seems like" nonsense. I don't have any particular like for Matheny or his staff, but the notion that they are just killing these guys in ways that aren't normal for relief pitcher routines seems kind of ridiculous.
You've continued to post incorrect stats (Herrera had the 6th most relief appearances in the league in 2015! :-)), half-baked contrarian speculation (saying a lot of "this seems like"), and disappeared from threads when folks brought up that this was a problem since his Cards days and posted stats to back it up. Probably time to tap out and do one of your patented disappearing acts. But hey, you do you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Hey, dude! Happy to help. He first tweeted about this July 5th and then elaborated after all fans demanded to know more. Happy to provide more, but it's not gonna make a lick of difference since this is who you are.
I was fascinated by Matheny’s “chase every win” approach, which wasn’t harmful in last year’s 60-game sprint. But over 162, it is not practical. Keep an eye on bullpen injuries over these last three months. And there is a mental toll on all players with this approach, too. (4)
I wasn't calling you a liar...I just said I couldn't find it. And if you insist on Flanny being that last word on this, you can't ignore the tweet I posted from him a month later.
Anyway, the workloads aren't outrageous. [Reply]
