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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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Red Dawg 06:42 PM 09-26-2021
We have nothing at WR past Hill. Jag city compared to other teams in our division and around the league. The group sucks bad.
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Mulliganman 07:45 PM 09-26-2021
The best question is what had he shown to be given the #2 job without a backup plan for a team with Super Bowl aspirations?
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New World Order 07:55 PM 09-26-2021
Originally Posted by Mulliganman:
The best question is what had he shown to be given the #2 job without a backup plan for a team with Super Bowl aspirations?
They did try to acquire Juju
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KChiefs1 08:35 PM 09-26-2021
I think staylor26 has sucked the manhood out of him. Once staylor26 wraps his mouth around your cock & starts sucking…it’s over. He sucks the cum right out of these guys.

We need to put him on Brady & Herbert. He will suck them dry.

Come on you little faggot! Start sucking!


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Hammock Parties 08:39 PM 09-26-2021
The fact that Pringle and Kemp are getting open is still a positive development for me. Rarely see Hardman getting that open. I think he is what he is at this point - a gadget guy that might catch a dump off once in awhile. He isn't going to be hauling in a lot downfield unless it's a broken play.

I like the trendline of our running game and Pringle going forward. And Fortson too.

I think the offense will be as good as it has been in three seasons at the end of the year, how much the defense improves will determine if we have 10 wins or 13.
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smithandrew051 08:42 PM 09-26-2021
I get that it’s annoying to pass on someone like DK in favor of Hardman, but teams miss way worse than that in the second round all the time.

At least this not great pick is still effective at what he does. Sure, he’s a gadget, but he’s a good gadget. Plenty of second round picks don’t even last 3 years in the league, let alone actually make a positive contribution occasionally.
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-King- 08:50 PM 09-26-2021
He is what he is. A good gadget player. But a bad WR. Not being able to take advantage of Hill and Kelce being doubled is pathetic.

Wonder what the Texans would want for Brandin Cooks.
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milkshock 09:31 AM 09-27-2021
We need to bring in a proven receiver. We did it with Maclin we did it with Watkins. Both contributed more than Hardman ever will.


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jettio 10:10 AM 09-27-2021
Hardman may be the only player in the league that could have gotten that TD running through that much traffic because he can make himself small and run tough for his size.

That was an awesome play.

He is who he is. A slender guy who is super fast and is great with the ball in his hands. He could help the Chiefs win and he could remain affordable enough to re-sign.
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Hammock Parties 12:30 PM 09-28-2021
tons of untapped potential on this OL...by year's end their blocking is going to be a nightmare with our speed

This jet sweep pop pass, was just on backside block away from going the distance. If Trey Smith gets Hardman’s defender. Thuney can work up to 24 and Hardman houses this. Smith doesn’t realize how strong he is sometimes. He sends 98 tumbling. #JacobsEyeInTheSky #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/Le7PfNY9KH

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) September 28, 2021

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KChiefs1 01:13 PM 09-28-2021
Originally Posted by jettio:
Hardman may be the only player in the league that could have gotten that TD running through that much traffic because he can make himself small and run tough for his size.

That was an awesome play.

He is who he is. A slender guy who is super fast and is great with the ball in his hands. He could help the Chiefs win and he could remain affordable enough to re-sign.

That’s the only play he is good at.


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jettio 09:36 PM 09-29-2021
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
That’s the only play he is good at.


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Dude has long TD receptions on unforgettable plays in games against playoff teams, the Patriots in 2019, the Titans in 2019. The Ravens in 2019 and 2020. And the TD against the Saints in 2020 was not a long play, but was a clutch catch on a pass that only Mahomes would throw.

I guess it takes 50 years between Super Bowls to create a fan base that has so many guys that make up their mind to badmouth a player all the time and never give any credit even on great plays.

The Georgia Bulldogs probably would not have made that National Championship game without Mecole Hardman.
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Rainbarrel 09:48 PM 09-29-2021
future comp pick
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Hammock Parties 09:34 AM 10-11-2021
9 yards a catch for a 4.3 guy is just awful

he will never be more than go go gadget upscale mccluster
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Jerm 09:36 AM 10-11-2021
Like I said in the game thread, Hardman over DK Metcalf will forever haunt me...
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