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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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petegz28 01:48 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...wAMvoNYG9bgQ6U

For the 30 days ending April 4, there were over 15,000 excess deaths in the US, of which 8,128 were attributed to COVID. Thus, even if you account for other deaths occurring as a result of not seeking treatment as a result of COVID, there were likely several thousand deaths that were undercounted in the first month.
The thing with the deaths is rather confusing overall it seems. There are reports of over-reporting on one hand and under reporting on the other. Both of which can be right.

By the same token though does anyone dispute that there is significantly more cases that have not been identified?
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petegz28 01:51 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Interesting how you're speaking about this in the past tense; and I don't think that graph shows what you think it does.
The larger question is what if after we open up do we see a spike while Sweden doesn't see one of significance if any?

Are we just delaying the inevitable and in some ways possibly making it worse?
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DaFace 01:53 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Interesting how you're speaking about this in the past tense; and I don't think that graph shows what you think it does.
Yeah, the log scale here is critical. Sweden is currently having about 10x as many deaths per week as their neighbors. That's not a very good argument that they're "winning."
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petegz28 01:53 PM 04-27-2020
San Francisco extends to mid May...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/27/san-...ronavirus.html
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stumppy 01:56 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Yeah, the log scale here is critical. Sweden is currently having about 10x as many deaths per week as their neighbors. That's not a very good argument that they're "winning."
I was looking at that graph and trying to spot the 'winning'.

Then I remember who posted it.:-)
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FloridaMan88 01:57 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by stumppy:
I was looking at that graph and trying to spot the 'winning'.

Then I remember who posted it.:-)
Even when presented a visual of a curve flattening apparently this dumbshit still doesn't get it.

To be expected.
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DaFace 02:00 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Even when presented a visual of a curve flattening apparently this dumbshit still doesn't get it.

To be expected.
Do you understand what a log scale is? And do you understand that this is a chart that shows pace - not totals?
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O.city 02:00 PM 04-27-2020
The Sweden thing was never going to severely limit it. It was going to get thru it as quick and as swift as possible while doing what they can to limit the ones with issues

Things have gotten twisted on the plan
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Marcellus 02:01 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Yeah, the log scale here is critical. Sweden is currently having about 10x as many deaths per week as their neighbors. That's not a very good argument that they're "winning."
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/

Does this trend really look worse than what we are seeing here?
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Donger 02:02 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Even when presented a visual of a curve flattening apparently this dumbshit still doesn't get it.

To be expected.
Ummm, you posted log scales, not linear.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 02:03 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Which is how you go from a few thousand lab-confirmed swine flu deaths in the US to four times that number in CDC estimates.

People need to stop with the narrative that COVID is being overcounted. It is demonstrably false. Precisely the opposite is happening.
However Hamas, Would you agree that this is probably the most accurate count, even if low, in real time, that we have had for a pandemic. The testing dwarfs any other virus/flu in the past.
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petegz28 02:05 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Ummm, you posted log scales, not linear.
Log scales are the shit...screw linear
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FloridaMan88 02:06 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Do you understand what a log scale is? And do you understand that this is a chart that shows pace - not totals?
If you are referring to a logarithmic scale to measure exponential growth, then Sweden is winning that metric as well.

They have not experienced an exponential increase in cases/deaths.
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petegz28 02:07 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
The Sweden thing was never going to severely limit it. It was going to get thru it as quick and as swift as possible while doing what they can to limit the ones with issues

Things have gotten twisted on the plan
I think where Sweden comes out better is they could be one and done if you will. Whereas we could be looking at some repeats.

There is something to be said for just carrying on and dealing with it. Yes, it is more costly in the short term but longer term they might be ahead of the game.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 02:07 PM 04-27-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Sweden's death rate is 6x that of their neighbors while still implementing many social distancing measures, but keep banging that drum.
Isn't part of their thought process is that you can contain the virus through extreme social distancing, however it is here and a vaccine isn't a sure thing and 12-18 months out at best. Therefore, if this reboots again this fall their population will be in better shape due to herd immunity?

Also, I thought they had a lot of nursing home cases and deaths early, before procedures to isolate that population, and that is skewing the numbers for Sweden, but not sure.
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