Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Yes. It's a law in California with a misdemeanor fine of $1,000 dollars if you're found not complying. There was actually a police SUV in the parking lot near the entrance.
What was truly bizarre was not just that the store was near empty (they were only allowing 50 customers at a time) but that there was a recording that repeated over the speaker system every minute stating "It's California law for employees and customers to wear a face mask. Non-compliance is punishable by a $1,000 dollar fine".
I felt like I was in a Sci Fi movie.
It wouldn't have worked because we were all 6 feet apart in line. It was kinda bonkers. At least it was only 75 degrees. It's supposed be 90 degrees and above starting tomorrow.
Heats coming big papa.
Now’s the time to put in that pool you’ve always wanted. [Reply]
On behalf of his family, they would like to extend a heartfelt “Thank you” to the nurses at Marion General Hospital and to all the staff at Riverside Methodist Hospital for everything they did to try and save Johnny’s life from Covid-19. They would also like to remind everyone to continue practicing social distancing to keep each other safe.
I have no issue with the above. I've just seen multiple stories where family couldn't be withed loved ones when they are in the hospital, let alone when they die. I've seen stories on the news with grieving loved ones who couldn't be with them in their final moments. I was surprised family would be allowed, aren't you? [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Heats coming big papa.
Now’s the time to put in that pool you’ve always wanted.
My rear retaining wall is 25 foot high and the sides gradually grade down to about 10 foot high. I'd need a geological in order to verify that I could actually put a pool in there because it could wreak havoc on the structural integrity of the walls.
Also (and this is a good thing), my "next door" neighbor actually lives two lots away, as she owns the lot between us and has vowed never to sell or develop it. It's good because we won't be subjected to some rapper that's throwing parties every damn day, but bad because there's a ton of wildlife that either lives there or feeds from the lot, including Western Diamondbacks, Deer, coyote, scorpions and the occasional rat.
In addition, it would be a water source for nearby insects, which would make the pool virtually impossible to keep clean.
So long story short, it's just not worth the hassle. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I am with great certainty predicting that more than 100,000 people die from Covid-19 in the USA. It would not surprise me if it ends up more than 200,000, at all.
Do you have a credible source from which you are pulling these projections?
So, those of you who were touting hydroxychloroquine, are you *still* wanting to roll it out?
That is for HC alone, HC with Zpak which is what was being touted show no mortality difference, but less went on a ventilator. However, the study has not been peered reviewed and may have bias, you don't know where the patients were in the process. Oh and it was disclosed that one of the authors of the study has a patent on a competing Covid-19 drug. I think I will wait for the peer review... [Reply]
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
That is for HC alone, HC with Zpak which is what was being touted show no mortality difference, but less went on a ventilator. However, the study has not been peered reviewed and may have bias, you don't know where the patients were in the process. Oh and it was disclosed that one of the authors of the study has a patent on a competing Covid-19 drug. I think I will wait for the peer review...
I still don't have high hopes, but I'm waiting to see the results from New York. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I still don't have high hopes, but I'm waiting to see the results from New York.
Me too, many Doctors think you have to have zinc in the equation and administer it earlier. As mentioned on here, there are some others that show promise as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
Me too, many Doctors think you have to have zinc in the equation and administer it earlier. As mentioned on here, there are some others that show promise as well.
Have they tried with just the Z-pack alone , I haven't seen how that would compare vs paired with HCQ. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Have they tried with just the Z-pack alone , I haven't seen how that would compare vs paired with HCQ.
There are several studies looking at all kinds of combinations, including zinc with the HQ and Zpak and just HQ and zinc, and for patients first diagnosed to late stages. We should know a lot more in the next few weeks, lot of people wanting this to fail, not just because of politics, but because of the cost effectiveness. Hopefully it will because it is the most scaleable and cheapest alternative for the combo, if not, there are some other promising ones. [Reply]
